Will this wireing mod work?

[bpmorton777]

hey guys

I need someone to verify this wireing mod that I have designed. It's based on the Jimmy Page Les Paul mod but with master vol/tone and both coil taps on one switch.

Brian

 

[line6man]

I looked it over, and it looks fine to me, but i only see 2 pots in there... where will your 3rd push pull be?

Very nice drawing btw, my schematics look like crap when i draw them.

 

[bpmorton777]

thanks for the help, Line6Man :cool01:

The orginal diagram came from http://www.guitarelectronics.com/category/wiringresources/

I just took it into a paint program and messed with it. Ill be putting this into my Hamer Sunburst as soon as I get some new pickups for it. This guitar has three pots vol, vol, tone. The middle pot will just be a switch with the push/pull.

Brian

 

[tfarny]

Wow, I spent a couple minutes on that and it started to blow my mind.
You should sell those things in front of the Jr. High!
Didn't find problems but I didn't trace near enough possible paths to troubleshoot.

 

[line6man]

On second thought, everything is in order with the wiring,  but when you set the pickups series with each other, you need to have the pickup selector switch on either neck or both pickups...
This is potentially bothersome IMO.

This applies to the original wiring scheme as well.

There is a way around this, but it would involve using a 3PDT switch instead of a push pull.

 

[dbw]

The drawing looks correct to me.  :kewlpics: 

One suggestion... swap the N-finish with S-start and S-finish with N-start on one of the pickups.  Everything will be exactly the same except when they're tapped and both on, it will be hum canceling.

 

[bpmorton777]

thanks for the responses guys. :headbang:


@Tfarny
I know absolutely nothing about electronics except that the grounds need to go together and that there is a flow from one part of the circuit to the next. It was blowing my mind as well to look at it and try to draw it out on paper. I had to start from this les paul diagram and start erasing the pots and wires from it to make any sense of it.

@ line6man
I didnt think there would be any difference in sound with the series and phase switching unless both pickups were on anyway. Am I right? :icon_scratch:

@dbw
I did want them hum canceling in the tapped position. I will change the drawing. thanks!

Brian

 

[line6man]

The drawing looks correct to me.  :kewlpics: 

One suggestion... swap the N-finish with S-start and S-finish with N-start on one of the pickups.  Everything will be exactly the same except when they're tapped and both on, it will be hum canceling.

I dont know too much about humbuckers, but i thought that neck pickups were RWRP from bridge pickups?
Does this only apply to single coil pickups?

 

[line6man]

@ line6man
I didnt think there would be any difference in sound with the series and phase switching unless both pickups were on anyway. Am I right? :icon_scratch:

When the pickups are series to each other, the bridge position on the selector switch will give you no sound.

 

[GoDrex]

I have the JP wiring on my Warmoth LP. On my guitar the both pickups in phase, in series setting is definitely the least useful setting for me. This is because I guess by the time the signal goes through all of that wiring they're aren't many highs left. It's loud though. I guess it could be good for a kind of super heavy sludge kind of tone, but I don't like the highs rolled off so much. The only other in series settings are out of phase (with either pickup split or not split). Those sound cool to me. You can get a Brian May lead kind of tone with it in series, out of phase and the neck pickup split. With distortion it screams - clean it kind of sounds like you're coming through an AM radio. On my guitar I usually split the neck pickup for clean tones. It sounds amazing to me. Very crisp and bright and bell like. Parallel out of phase tones seem to inspire a bluesy sound, but I don't use that as often.

oh and when the pickups are in series if you switch to the neck position it has no output.

btw  - I used this diagram: http://www.neighborhost.com/images/Jimmy_Page/JP_wiring_alt.png

the one that I found on Seymour Duncan wiring diagrams section isn't the same and didn't work right for me.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

I dont know too much about humbuckers, but i thought that neck pickups were RWRP from bridge pickups?
Does this only apply to single coil pickups?

On which coil, a humbucker has both in the same pickup.  A middle pickup on a Strat is reverse wound, reverse polarity, making positions 2 and 4 humbucking.

 

[line6man]

I dont know too much about humbuckers, but i thought that neck pickups were RWRP from bridge pickups?
Does this only apply to single coil pickups?

On which coil, a humbucker has both in the same pickup.  A middle pickup on a Strat is reverse wound, reverse polarity, making positions 2 and 4 humbucking.

The + from the top coil inverted with the - from the bottom coil.
I guess thats just reverse polarity and not reverse wound.

 

[bpmorton777]

as I understand it, slug coil and screw coil are wired the same on bridge and neck pickups, just that you normaly install the neck the other way around in a two hum guitar. I turned the neck pickup around in my hamer so the split coils would both be on the outside.

Brian

 

[line6man]

Well, i would just try both ways and see which way is hum-cancelling.

 

[dbw]

This may vary among manufacturers but I know this is true for SD because I called and asked.  The neck pup is NOT rwrp, and by that I mean the screw coil on the neck cancels hum with the slug coil in the bridge, or vice versa, but the screw coil in the neck does NOT cancel hum with the screw coil in the bridge.

So if you set it up so you tap to the screws in one and the slugs in the other, you'll get hum canceling.  This is not the "standard" wiring (in fact as far as I know, I'm the only one who ever did it) but it should be. 

Obviously this would have other ramifications for asymmetric humbuckers like the P-rails.