Wilkinson tremolo saddles - Need setup info

ventolino

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Hi, i'm almost done with my project, but need some help.
I installed wilkinson tremolo flat on body and, in order to have right string height, i had to raise saddles (obvious) but at a point that they're very high over tremolo plate.
Instructions says that i need to lock saddle screw but saddles are very angled and intonation setting is a little difficult because when i open the lock screw the sadlle raise the bottom and change string tune.
I have this situation:

WilkinsonVS100Actual.jpg



I also found a site suggesting to set saddles parallel to tremolo plate.
In this situation saddles will be very high and not locked but intonation setting will be easier.
Alternative setting:

WilkinsonVS100Parallel.jpg


Please help me find right setting, thanks.  :help:


 

spauldingrules

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Dude - you gotsa raise the big bolts/anchors on the sides first.  Then fine-tune with the saddles.  Put them all the way down and then raise the bolts, then adjust the arc with the saddles.
 

taez555

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The neck is sitting too high in the pocket.  If you sand down the neck pocket, or the back of the neck a little it will allow you to have the strings lower without having to have your bridge saddles super high.
 

bpmorton777

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I think in this case a photograph might be a little more useful than the diagrams. Is the goal to have the bridge flat agaist the body so you cannot bend upwards in pitch?

Brian
 

m4rk0

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AWWWW I love y'all right back  :icon_biggrin:
for a change people agree with me agreeing with others!
 

spauldingrules

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I respectfully disagree. :party07: :guitarplayer2: :doh: :headbang1: :redflag: :rock-on: :party07: :cool01: :kewlpics: :party07: :party07: :party07: :kewlpics: :rock-on: :guitarplayer2: :guitarplayer2:
 

ventolino

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spauldingrules said:
Dude - you gotsa raise the big bolts/anchors on the sides first.  Then fine-tune with the saddles.  Put them all the way down and then raise the bolts, then adjust the arc with the saddles.

Spaulding, i know how to set studs, but i'd like to mantain tremolo plate touching body!  :toothy11:

taez555 said:
The neck is sitting too high in the pocket.  If you sand down the neck pocket, or the back of the neck a little it will allow you to have the strings lower without having to have your bridge saddles super high.

Ok, this can resolve.

bpmorton777 said:
I think in this case a photograph might be a little more useful than the diagrams. Is the goal to have the bridge flat agaist the body so you cannot bend upwards in pitch?
Brian

I'll post a picture.
I know i can't bend upwards (i'd love to have this feature) but the goal to have the bridge flat is that if a string break others stay in tune, double stop bendings (is this right?) can't go out of tune and maybe a little more sustain due to more transfer of string vibration. For my tastes i think there're more advantages than disadvantages. 

BTW i think I'll also try it floating, as suggested by Spaulding and M4rko, then i'll decide for the best.

This is a great forum, thanks for your support!  :hello2: 
 

spauldingrules

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You can still have the back of the bridge touching the body.  If it's perfectly flat it can't go up or down!  It's not meant to be that way - I hate to imagine how hard it would be to keep in tune with those little screws completely extended, not to mention the effect on the sound.

I have 3 wilks in 3 guitars, and I really like them.  Trust me on this.  Mine are all set for down only.
 

ventolino

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spauldingrules said:
You can still have the back of the bridge touching the body.  If it's perfectly flat it can't go up or down!  It's not meant to be that way - I hate to imagine how hard it would be to keep in tune with those little screws completely extended, not to mention the effect on the sound.

Spaulding, this is a great idea! Simply i havent' thought about this setting.

spauldingrules said:
I have 3 wilks in 3 guitars, and I really like them.  Trust me on this.  Mine are all set for down only.

So, if i understand, you have saddles flat (adapted to neck radius) on tremolo plate and tremolo tilted backwards touching body, am i right?
Can you post a pic to see your setting?

Thanks.
 

spauldingrules

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That's exactly right.  That's how my three are.  Here's one I just completed:  http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=2622.0

Also, the bridge might rest against the wood in the inside of the bridge route as the springs pull it tight, which is ok too.
 

spauldingrules

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http://evhgear.com/frankenstein/

He doesn't need it anymore, but he shoved a quarter under there so the back of the bridge would hold steady and not allow him to raise the pitch - down only.
 
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