Warmoth body & neck fit

[Fat Pete]

Wow, AirCap, you really are a piece of work. Vetteman's post was not remotely a complaint, simply pointing out that some adjustment/set-up is usually required - in his own experience. You then lay into him for this, despite just posting "THEY NEED NOTHING, AND ARE READY TO GO RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX."

You may well consider filing the nut, dressing the fret ends etc. to be included in the term "nothing" in this context, but they are actual things.

Vetteman is clearly a repeat customer of Warmoth's and has put together some of the most creative and interesting builds we've seen on this forum over the last few years and obviously knows what he's doing - I doubt he's too disappointed to find he wouldn't be welcome in  your shop. There is nothing in his post suggesting he's ignorant, quite the opposite.

Pirate is clearly new to this world and yet it's you, AirCap the (over) seasoned pro, who is giving him false expectations.

 

[Strat Avenger]

The neck is ready to go out of the box. It can be fine tuned with fret leveling. It's still gonna need a truss rod adjustment in most cases, and the nut must be setup by the end-user. The nut is attached to the neck but is not part of the neck.

 

[Fat Pete]

Vetteman's post may have broadened the scope of the thread beyond the OP's original question, but not unreasonably so given the intervening posts and certainly not in any way that warranted being called ignorant.

 

[spe111]

I have three Warmoth body/necks. All three have perfect fit between the body and neck in my opinion. Tight without being so tight that you risk damaging something by putting them together.

All three necks needed some fret leveling but were probably good enough to go with for some people.

Two of them are Warmoth finished and they're good assuming you like poly finishes.

 

[AirCap]

You then lay into him for this, despite just posting "THEY NEED NOTHING, AND ARE READY TO GO RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX."

Ya got me. I DID oversell it. All guitars - no matter the maker - do need a good setup by a competent luthier for best results. To Vetteman - a rare apology from moi is due. MY BAD. Guess I am a prima donna after all, and my tendency towards hyperbole bit me in the ass.

That said, I still love Warmoth stuff and give them my highest recommendations.

 

[stratamania]

On the subject of Fretwork.

Please note, Warmoth does not perform fret leveling. Most Warmoth necks are playable as they are received and do not require fret leveling. However, because wood moves with changes in temperature, humidity and string tension fret leveling may be required. This is best done after the neck has been strung up to pitch for several days and allowed to adjust in the assembled state. For this reason, Warmoth leaves this fine tuning to the end user.

Reference: http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Necks/Fretwork.aspx

Lots of information on necks from the menu at the left hand side.
For bodies:
http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/Options/Strat1Piece.aspx

 

[AirCap]

Please note, Warmoth does not perform fret leveling. Most Warmoth necks are playable as they are received and do not require fret leveling. However, because wood moves with changes in temperature, humidity and string tension fret leveling may be required. This is best done after the neck has been strung up to pitch for several days and allowed to adjust in the assembled state. For this reason, Warmoth leaves this fine tuning to the end user.

Yes, this is a legal CYA. Well made necks of quality materials and high standards of workmanship usually perform at high levels without more than a simple adjustment here and there.

 

[stratamania]

Please note, Warmoth does not perform fret leveling. Most Warmoth necks are playable as they are received and do not require fret leveling. However, because wood moves with changes in temperature, humidity and string tension fret leveling may be required. This is best done after the neck has been strung up to pitch for several days and allowed to adjust in the assembled state. For this reason, Warmoth leaves this fine tuning to the end user.

Yes, this is a legal CYA. Well made necks of quality materials and high standards of workmanship usually perform at high levels without more than a simple adjustment here and there.

You can see it like that but the simple fact is where out of the box many people will find nothing more than a simple adjustment to be needed others would need to dress, level as needed, roll edges etc. You may not feel the need to do so but that does not mean that others do not.

I think Warmoth's statement is a fairly accurate one. If someone takes a neck out of the box and is happy with it it does not mean any fine tuning another may wish to do is needless.

 

[sambob]

Wow, AirCap, you really are a piece of work. Vetteman's post was not remotely a complaint, simply pointing out that some adjustment/set-up is usually required - in his own experience. You then lay into him for this, despite just posting "THEY NEED NOTHING, AND ARE READY TO GO RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX."

You may well consider filing the nut, dressing the fret ends etc. to be included in the term "nothing" in this context, but they are actual things.

Vetteman is clearly a repeat customer of Warmoth's and has put together some of the most creative and interesting builds we've seen on this forum over the last few years and obviously knows what he's doing - I doubt he's too disappointed to find he wouldn't be welcome in  your shop. There is nothing in his post suggesting he's ignorant, quite the opposite.
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Pirate is clearly new to this world and yet it's you, AirCap the (over) seasoned pro, who is giving him false expectations.

Please do not stress over Aircap he just loves his Warmoth, I am sure Warmoth is great quality but when some people love something so much they treat it like their own children.  There is nothing their children can do wrong in their eyes and they will defend them to the death.

There is nothing wrong with this and people such as Aircap, the positive anomolies are easy to spot, there lives both positive and negative fanboys for want of a better word. I must say I have no issue with Aircap and he/she is probably a descent person and cool to have a beer with.

 

[pirate]

Well I certainly appreciate everyone's, uh, exuberant input

Bottom line, is while I have experience playing poorly, for a number of years, :laughing7: my tech skills are entry level, and only tweak already pro set up guitars, where I can easily undue any adjustments I have made. So in this case, seems to me, that I'm spending a good bit of cash, to me, to get a nice tele, so I want it done right, even though I am building it, which to some, might sound like a contradiction

So when I get the neck, other than burnishing myself (after reading the long "burnish your neck" thread) I intend to take it to a local luthier, and have it checked, and if necessary, fret leveling, etc done, and even have the body with me when I pick it up, to have a second pair of eyes on the neck/body fit, and what other adjustments, if any may be necessary. I figure that way, once the neck is on, and correct, any truss rod adjustments needed, if any, will be minor.

I get there are many here very experienced in all this, and that is why I'm here, but I guess I'm preparing for minor issues and trying to have a plan to rectify them with the help of a pro. Should I do a 2nd build, I'll have that help and advice to assist me, and maybe the 2nd one won't be as stressful
I say that tongue in cheek by the way, I'm pretty excited about it, and having fun with it so far.
Hoping to have the neck/body, etc around 2nd week of February by the way, I'll post pics when I get them.

 

[sambob]

Well I certainly appreciate everyone's, uh, exuberant input

Bottom line, is while I have experience playing poorly, for a number of years, :laughing7: my tech skills are entry level, and only tweak already pro set up guitars, where I can easily undue any adjustments I have made. So in this case, seems to me, that I'm spending a good bit of cash, to me, to get a nice tele, so I want it done right, even though I am building it, which to some, might sound like a contradiction

So when I get the neck, other than burnishing myself (after reading the long "burnish your neck" thread) I intend to take it to a local luthier, and have it checked, and if necessary, fret leveling, etc done, and even have the body with me when I pick it up, to have a second pair of eyes on the neck/body fit, and what other adjustments, if any may be necessary. I figure that way, once the neck is on, and correct, any truss rod adjustments needed, if any, will be minor.

I get there are many here very experienced in all this, and that is why I'm here, but I guess I'm preparing for minor issues and trying to have a plan to rectify them with the help of a pro. Should I do a 2nd build, I'll have that help and advice to assist me, and maybe the 2nd one won't be as stressful
I say that tongue in cheek by the way, I'm pretty excited about it, and having fun with it so far.
Hoping to have the neck/body, etc around 2nd week of February by the way, I'll post pics when I get them.

That is some good self advice, you may not need the Luther but getting it checked is not a bad thing.  I think it is almost impossible to get perfect fitment every time with shipped timber cut from a CNC, no doubt Warmoth do their best but climate changes and other factors are out of their control.

 

[Strat Avenger]

Well I certainly appreciate everyone's, uh, exuberant input

Bottom line, is while I have experience playing poorly, for a number of years, :laughing7: my tech skills are entry level, and only tweak already pro set up guitars, where I can easily undue any adjustments I have made. So in this case, seems to me, that I'm spending a good bit of cash, to me, to get a nice tele, so I want it done right, even though I am building it, which to some, might sound like a contradiction

So when I get the neck, other than burnishing myself (after reading the long "burnish your neck" thread) I intend to take it to a local luthier, and have it checked, and if necessary, fret leveling, etc done, and even have the body with me when I pick it up, to have a second pair of eyes on the neck/body fit, and what other adjustments, if any may be necessary. I figure that way, once the neck is on, and correct, any truss rod adjustments needed, if any, will be minor.

I get there are many here very experienced in all this, and that is why I'm here, but I guess I'm preparing for minor issues and trying to have a plan to rectify them with the help of a pro. Should I do a 2nd build, I'll have that help and advice to assist me, and maybe the 2nd one won't be as stressful
I say that tongue in cheek by the way, I'm pretty excited about it, and having fun with it so far.
Hoping to have the neck/body, etc around 2nd week of February by the way, I'll post pics when I get them.

I know you didn't ask for my advice, but I'll offer it anyway.
I've built only 2 Warmoth guitars, but both turned out excellent. It's amazing how well the first one turned out. I have 2 more builds in the works. My advice: don't get in a hurry. Take your time and savor the experience. This will ensure the best possible outcome.

 

[vetteman]

Pirate - I'm sure you will be pleased with your new parts, I don't buy necks/bodies from anyone but Warmoth.  Just trying to point out that sometimes minor adjustments are necessary.    :headbanging:

Fat Pete - Thanks for putting a leash on Air Cap!  :glasses10:

 

[NutBehindTheGuitar]

.60mm wider

0.60mm is 0.023622in in decimal format. In inch decimal 1/32in is 0.03125in so the discrepancy between the two pieces is slightly more than than 1/32 of an inch. 1/16 of an inch is .0625 decimal inches

Generally 1/16 is considered precise work in the woodworking field. Wood is also simply not as a precise material, as metal is.

Furthermore there needs to be some gap, some give, between the neck and neck pocket to reflect that these pieces are wood, sawed out of a dead tree, and that the tree never planned to become a guitar.

Sanding the neck and or neck pocket is part of the Guitar assemebly process, and is not a sign of a flaw or defect.

In summary I do not think your complaint is valid.

Hope you found this useful.

 

[MoreSpaceEcho]

They might have....5 years ago.

 

[Spud]

I like taters.