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Warmoth 1 versus Warmoth 2 headstock/neck

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What are the differences?  It looks like #2 might have straight string pull, but maybe the top two tuners will hit each other?

Is this design as break prone as Gibson guitars?
 
I'm not sure about the difference between the two, but I can tell you they do not have the same weakness at the headstock that Gibson Les Pauls do.  That was an inherent design flaw.  The Warmoths are much more solid.


I just looked, and the only difference is that one is staggered and the other is symmetrical.  No functional difference, it's just a choice depending on your taste.
 
I'm not sure what the difference is other than headstock design. Certainly, the tuners will fit fine or somebody would have noticed that problem by now, so I wouldn't worry about that.

As far as breaking as easily as Gibsons, I suppose it's possible, just as they're equally susceptible to fire, stamping presses and hand grenades.

What breaks headstocks off is being angled back. In a fall, usually the tip of the headstock hits first and takes all the force of the fall, including the inertia of the body. Gibson gets an unfairly bad rap for this because nearly all their necks have tilt-back headstocks, and it's often blamed on the scarf joint that attaches the headstock to the neck proper. Thing is, the glue joint is rarely what fails. The wood tears along the grain at the thinnest point, which is at the nut (where the scarf joint is). The glue joint is generally stronger than the wood. So, that break is not exclusive to Gibson designs. Any guitar with a thin body and a tilt-back headstock is going to be susceptible to that kind of failure.

The only other neck break you see is at the heel, and that does happen on some Gibsons fairly often. The Firebirds, Melody Makers, SGs and a few others had heel joints that were less than ideal, so less stress than you might think would be needed would make the neck part company with the body. You almost never see that on bolt-ons or well-designed glue-ons such as the Les Paul.
 
The Warmoth 1 is what was previously called "Warmoth" headstock, with offset tuners, the Warmoth 2 was previously named "Variax" and it indeedly has a very straight string pull & even tuner holes.
 
Gibson doesn't use a scarf joint. Gibson necks are one piece. This is why they break easier than a neck with a scarf joint.
 
Cagey said:
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As far as breaking as easily as Gibsons, I suppose it's possible, just as they're equally susceptible to fire, stamping presses and hand grenades...

Cagey, you forgot lightning!

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/ProductSpotlight/GearAndInstruments/a-les-paul-struck-by-630/
 
pabloman said:
Gibson doesn't use a scarf joint. Gibson necks are one piece. This is why they break easier than a neck with a scarf joint.

Are you sure? Not that I am, but it doesn't sound like something Gibson would do. They're all about cheap construction, and cutting tilt-back necks out of a single piece of wood would be unnecessarily wasteful. Although, it would explain why they have a reputation for an unusually high incidence of neck breaks.
 
pabloman said:
Gibson doesn't use a scarf joint. Gibson necks are one piece. This is why they break easier than a neck with a scarf joint.
That is a blanket statement that is quite untrue.
Roughly 75-82 LPs had multi piece maple necks. I know my 79 is one of them.
 
C'mon man...shitty 70's guitars don't count. Everyone did crazy stuff back then. Not all Gibsons are 1 piece necks either Mr. Forum fact police. So 7 years out of Gibsons entire history had scarf joints. Besides my statement is in present tense. Probably 80 to 90 percent of all Gibsons made do not use a scarf joint. That's a direct quote from pablopedia.
 
Pablo is correct, Gibson makes the neck as one piece then adds wings to the sides of the headstock...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0h8daIvt2M
 
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