using laminated top as PICKGUARD

[Hendrix]

just find this Tausch-Guitars on YouTube, he using the laminated top as PICKGUARD.

must be need installing pickups before glued  laminated top, very difficult to do the sanding and finishing  :icon_tongue:

the back is just like a normal guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIB0E7oCCAc

 

[DangerousR6]

The body is chambered, so he slides the pickup into the body, positions it into place...

 

[DustyCat]

I approve of laminated tops to be used as pick guards.  :icon_thumright:
And there's no reason why they can't be used as coffee tables too!

 

[Cagey]

I've gotten to the point where I don't care about pickguards. They're sorta like putting plastic covers on your furniture. They make it look bad and feel uncomfortable from the word go and throughout the life of the piece, while if you go without the piece looks and feels great, but for a shorter time. So, which is better? Long life you hate or short life you love?

Probably not a great analogy because sometimes a pickguard is a mechanically necessary thing, but it works for me.

 

[DangerousR6]

I too do not care for pickguards either, never have, especially on strats and tele's...But sometimes they are a necessity...

 

[Cagey]

I don't seem to cause much, if any, damage anyway. I'm not a dainty player at all, I just don't seem to hit the face of the body much. Plus, I keep my fingernails well-manicured.

Unlike some guys I could mention...

 

[Hendrix]

My focus points are not used pickguard or not, that purely a matter of personal preference. Or aesthetically is it pretty or not.

I looking on technical/engineering side, how to overcome the problems of preinstalled pickups, get int ways after glued laminated top, very difficult to do the sanding and finishing. how to painting under the screws head ? etc, If I made something like this, how can I improve the work process? Can it be done after finishing then glued laminated top?

I believe anyone willing to overcome a lot of obstacles to make something useful or unique, he has the sprite of trying to build something that’ll be excellence, I rather try to learn “how” from them than doubt “why “.

Like a builder on our local Forums, this was what he  build earlier, 6 years ago, an ordinary tale

Lately, I see him making frets like this;

And this is what he built recently.

What I try to say is, he is an example of, someone willing to overcome a lot of obstacles to make something the way he believes, can make a lot of progress.



Here is another guitar builder on our local Forums, same, aesthetically like or not, I like to learn from him “how “ about the building process.

 

[T89Rex]

Damn, the tele and the JM are great!

 

[Steve_Karl]

What Cagey said ... "covers on furninture" 

 

[musicispeace]

I like your interest from a design and craftsmanship standpoint and I find the use of a top wood as a pickguard very interesting. I'm inspired to research photos of this. My own position is that I will use a pickuguard on a front routed strat body but I don't like pickguards at all on teles. But your examples from a design perspective are really good.

 

[Hendrix]

here is someone does similar thing beyond design and craftsmanship standpoint, I come across this on YouTube.

he believes mounting pickups on body wood, it vibrated with the body , rather than on plastic and springs.

Crimson Guitars 

[youtube]KqhM6RQidbM[/youtube]

 

[Cagey]

He makes very nice guitars, but he needs to study up on what magnetic pickups are sensitive to. Vibrating wood is invisible to them.

 

[exaN]

He makes very nice guitars, but he needs to study up on what magnetic pickups are sensitive to. Vibrating wood is invisible to them.

I think he's talking about pickups mounted directly as opposed to on a pickguard somehow add more resonance, not that vibrating wood affects the magnets. The "it adds to the body weight" part sounds illogical to me though. The whole thing just seems to be purely subjective.

 

[TBurst Std]

It's Crimson Guitars.  Enough said.  He's quite reknown for his "science" LOL

 

[Hendrix]

what I think the difference ( may not be what he said . ) on the physics side, when string vibration, the body got resonance vibration too, you can feel it when you touch the body wood. so if the pickups more directly fix to wood, it would be got more transmitted vibration too, ( pickups got relatively self-movements with strings) although this effect isn't much, an obvious example is on hollow body's guitar, it easily gets feedback . feedback is when this effect been amplified to an extended that is too much, but it means this effect does make some difference on how strings relatively moving/vibrations with pickups.

is it a good thing? like aesthetically, can be just a personal choice.

 

[exaN]

It's Crimson Guitars.  Enough said.  He's quite reknown for his "science" LOL

To be fair, he's not claiming that there's any scientific proof to his claim. He's just saying people who know more about pickups than he does seem to agree on this fact, therefore chooses to believe the authority. Can't blame him.

 

[Cagey]

A surprising number of people smarter than him think capacitors have "tone", too. There are a lotta myths in the guitar world. I'm thinking of starting one myself. Something about strap hangers stressing/distorting the wood fibers in unpredictable ways due to variations in grain patterns and causing tuning instability should find acceptance in some circles. Might even be able to launch a palliative product line to cure the problem.  Something like threaded gutter spikes that spread the load more evenly throughout the body...

Remember! You heard it here first!

 

[Hendrix]

there are a lot of series organizations scientist studies molecular structure change of wood aging.

http://www.swst.org/meetings/AM14/pdfs/presentations/niemz%20pdf.pdf

https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/bitstream/handle/20.500.11850/98764/eth-47394-02.pdf

and a lot of series guitars players and collectors put huge real money on the vintage guitar, to believe wood aging has a good effect on tone.
it means wood do get a very slow "change " after "dead" and dry processor.

also, a lot of them believe in more a  vintage guitar been playing, more it will be better on tone as the aging process is effective on the way how it vibrates, some call it  "play-in" effect. that means the outside physically forces has affected on the aging process.

Believe or not, someone does make a product on this slow "change " wood molecular structure, call ToneRite for Guitar

http://www.stewmac.com/Materials_and_Supplies/Accessories/ToneRite/ToneRite_for_Guitar.html
quote " Simulates the effects of actual playing to bring out the best in your guitar.

This revolutionary "play-in" simulator is based on the observation that the more an acoustic instrument is played, the faster it reaches its full sound potential (its "play-in" period).

The ToneRite applies direct vibration to a guitar at controlled frequencies, to simulate the effects of actual playing. Many players report increased volume and dynamic range in their instruments after using the device between playing sessions."

 

[Cagey]

Those ToneRite wood massagers have been around in various forms for a while. I'm pretty sure all they do is prove people will buy anything if you appeal to their baser instinct for ego inflation,

A big clue to their uselessness is the claim "many players report increased volume and dynamic range in their instruments after using the device between playing sessions." When they say "players report", what they're actually saying is "we have no actual evidence". Newspapers, politicians and marketing weenies use weasel words like that all the time when they're just making things up.

 

[BigSteve22]

Newspapers, politicians and marketing weenies use weasel words like that all the time when they're just making things up.

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