Tremolo bar. Decisions, decisions...

[Cagey]

I dunno Cagey, either I'm extremely lucky - or a technical God. I have/had several Floyd's and their bastard children and they've only ever
just worked for me. No woes, no mystery problems, no set-up issues. I mean, a double-locking tremolo setup does NOT have to be complicated,
or hard to use, or finnicky, or...   :dontknow:

And believe me, if my Floyds give me the ability to control a 50ft, PPC and Gauss Rifle totin' metal mountain - I'm THERE.
Now, where's my f-ing neurohelmet?!  :headbang1:

Of course they work. Never said they didn't. A properly set up Floyd works like a charm. And there's certainly no mystery to them. And when I said "complicated", I didn't mean they were difficult to understand or deal with, I meant they're mechanically complex (as far as bridges go; lord knows they're dead simple devices that even a musician can deal with). You've got extra tuners, extra joints, shims, etc. that other bridges don't have or need. Plus, you have that bloody locking nut. I don't have one on my vibrato. So, there's a step you have to take that I don't have to. You have tuners on the bridge, which need to be reset when you change strings or you'll eventually run out of range. I don't have that problem. You've got string heel mounting issues I don't. You need shims to adjust for neck radius, I don't have that problem. You have a lot of added weight I don't have. You have more nooks and crannies to collect palm kukka, dandruff, pick shavings, hooker dust, etc. You have a higher initial cost for at least the hardware, and a wrecked neck if you ever change your mind about the thing. You have a monstrous hunk of mechanical stuff in place of an unobtrusive bridge. You don't have any performance improvement or advantage. So, I'm not sold yet. Maybe if it was red hot or covered in birdcrap or carried anthrax spores I could get more excited, but I don't know... <grin>

 

[ORCRiST]

hooker dust

LMFAO!!!

Hooker dust!

You don't have any performance improvement or advantage.

More weight = more sustain, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!  :icon_biggrin:

 

[Musicman418]

Hey, what do you think about having a Floyd Rose bridge, with a Super-Vee nut?  I like the look of it, AND I won't have to cut out a slot in the neck for it.  That way if I decide to have no tremolo, I can also take it off.  (Although the body will still have large holes in it from the Floyd Rose...  Oh well, it still looks cool!)

 

[Cagey]

LMFAO!!!

Hooker dust!

Well? You know how that stuff is! Can't blast it off with a commercial-grade power washer! <grin>

 

[Cagey]

Hey, what do you think about having a Floyd Rose bridge, with a Super-Vee nut?  I like the look of it, AND I won't have to cut out a slot in the neck for it.  That way if I decide to have no tremolo, I can also take it off.  (Although the body will still have large holes in it from the Floyd Rose...  Oh well, it still looks cool!)

Are you talking about this thing?

I have no experience with it. Not sure I want any. Look at it. You want that on your guitar? Get some locking tuners and a good nut, and call it good.

 

[DangerousR6]

Hey, what do you think about having a Floyd Rose bridge, with a Super-Vee nut?  I like the look of it, AND I won't have to cut out a slot in the neck for it.  That way if I decide to have no tremolo, I can also take it off.  (Although the body will still have large holes in it from the Floyd Rose...  Oh well, it still looks cool!)

Don't listen to cagey, he babbles a lot,  if you want a Floyd get a Floyd WITH a locking nut, it was made for it. And forgetabout that super v thing, looks retarded.... :tard:

Or get a Wilky with locking tuners....It'll be the same either way, only no fine tuners on a Wilky.... :dontknow:

 

[DangerousR6]

And come to think of it Mr. Cagey, correct me if I'm wrong, but thru all the cannon fodder, I've yet to see a project or even a completed guitar from you....Ssssup with that... :icon_scratch:

 

[Musicman418]

Haha, I'll mull it over.  (About the different locking nuts)  So, I'm 99% percent sure that I'm getting the Floyd.  I REALLY like this tremol-no, would add a lot of versatility to it.  Hey, DangerousR6, what do you think of the Tremol-No?  Have you ever tried it out?

 

[DangerousR6]

Haha, I'll mull it over.  (About the different locking nuts)  So, I'm 99% percent sure that I'm getting the Floyd.  I REALLY like this tremol-no, would add a lot of versatility to it.  Hey, DangerousR6, what do you think of the Tremol-No?  Have you ever tried it out?

I have one, I like it for what it does. I have one on my Spalted tele, because it's a non recess Floyd and I didn't want it to move and be able to hit the top, and possibly dent it..

 

[Cagey]

And come to think of it Mr. Cagey, correct me if I'm wrong, but thru all the cannon fodder, I've yet to see a project or even a completed guitar from you....Ssssup with that... :icon_scratch:

I entered one earlier this year. I have two new ones in progress, and wanted to enter one this month, but this whole summer has been hard on me for health reasons, among other things. The last neck plate you made for me said "June 2010", which is when it was supposed to be done, and it's still not quite there. I'm sure Mayfly curses me because I haven't finished his cabinets yet. It's been slow going as I can barely move some days. But, I'm well on my way back, so... patience.

 

[Musicman418]

Ah, thanks!  And Cagey, that sucks.  =/  I'll definitely be praying for you, and thank you for the advice!

 

[DangerousR6]

And come to think of it Mr. Cagey, correct me if I'm wrong, but thru all the cannon fodder, I've yet to see a project or even a completed guitar from you....Ssssup with that... :icon_scratch:

I entered one earlier this year. I have two new ones in progress, and wanted to enter one this month, but this whole summer has been hard on me for health reasons, among other things. The last neck plate you made for me said "June 2010", which is when it was supposed to be done, and it's still not quite there. I'm sure Mayfly curses me because I haven't finished his cabinets yet. It's been slow going as I can barely move some days. But, I'm well on my way back, so... patience.

I know, I'm just messin with ya...... :icon_biggrin:

 

[Cagey]

It wouldn't be so bad if I could tolerate decent pain meds, but you can only take those for so long before they start doing more harm than good, which brings on a whole new set of problems.

 

[DangerousR6]

It wouldn't be so bad if I could tolerate decent pain meds, but you can only take those for so long before they start doing more harm than good, which brings on a whole new set of problems.

Yip, my brother went thru the same thing with his back, got addicted to hydrocodine... :-\

 

[elfro89]

people have said jeff beck has used the same guitar for a whole gig without even touching the tuning pegs. All he uses is a standard American bridge, LSR roller nut and a set of locking tuners. For me that makes it alot better then a floyd. I absolutely hate performing a restringing, or setup of one. They take far too long to make work. any trem with a decent nut and locking tuners will be just as good, easier and quicker to set up and then there you go.

Keep you guitar clean and your strings stretched and fresh and you won't have a problem!

 

[DangerousR6]

people have said jeff beck has used the same guitar for a whole gig without even touching the tuning pegs. All he uses is a standard American bridge, LSR roller nut and a set of locking tuners. For me that makes it alot better then a floyd. I absolutely hate performing a restringing, or setup of one. They take far too long to make work. any trem with a decent nut and locking tuners will be just as good, easier and quicker to set up and then there you go.

Keep you guitar clean and your strings stretched and fresh and you won't have a problem!

And Jeff Beck is a boring guitar player....nuff said...

 

[OzziePete]

people have said jeff beck has used the same guitar for a whole gig without even touching the tuning pegs. All he uses is a standard American bridge, LSR roller nut and a set of locking tuners. For me that makes it alot better then a floyd. I absolutely hate performing a restringing, or setup of one. They take far too long to make work. any trem with a decent nut and locking tuners will be just as good, easier and quicker to set up and then there you go.

Keep you guitar clean and your strings stretched and fresh and you won't have a problem!

I have heard he just about demolishes a guitar over time, plus he has a very good tech to help him tune things up, so no maybe HE  :laughing7: doesn't touch the pegs! (just throws the guitar at this guy and tells him to fix it)
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4EBBPOr2no[/youtube]

 

[Musicman418]

people have said jeff beck has used the same guitar for a whole gig without even touching the tuning pegs. All he uses is a standard American bridge, LSR roller nut and a set of locking tuners. For me that makes it alot better then a floyd. I absolutely hate performing a restringing, or setup of one. They take far too long to make work. any trem with a decent nut and locking tuners will be just as good, easier and quicker to set up and then there you go.

Keep you guitar clean and your strings stretched and fresh and you won't have a problem!

And Jeff Beck is a boring guitar player....nuff said...

Haha, everybody has their opinions.

So, good points of the Floyd:  High range both downwards and upwards.  Will NOT go out of tune.

Bad points:  Difficult to set up.  Difficult to tune.  Difficult to restring.  Although, the tremol-no (I think) should take care of the last two problems.

So, can you guys point me to a tremolo with the same range, or as close as you can find, to a Floyd Rose, but with none of the disadvantages?  Please list it in a detailed and organized manner, with all the pluses (That's actually a word!) and all the faults.  I prefer the more vintage look of the Wilkinson actually, haha.  Don't really care for the Floyd in term of looks, but with the Tremol-No, it's gonna be hard to compete with.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

The Wilky can be recessed and have a tremol-no added to.  As far as range forward or backward, the recess should take care of the backward.  And forward, many go far enough to go past audible step intervals.  This isn't just a Floyd thing.

 

[elfro89]

people have said jeff beck has used the same guitar for a whole gig without even touching the tuning pegs. All he uses is a standard American bridge, LSR roller nut and a set of locking tuners. For me that makes it alot better then a floyd. I absolutely hate performing a restringing, or setup of one. They take far too long to make work. any trem with a decent nut and locking tuners will be just as good, easier and quicker to set up and then there you go.

Keep you guitar clean and your strings stretched and fresh and you won't have a problem!

And Jeff Beck is a boring guitar player....nuff said...

aww man, jeff beck is a great player, when i started listening to him it made a big change from the shredding i was constantly listening too, now i would rather listen to beck over say joe satriani or other people who play stuff at silly speeds.

Jeff Beck's Guitar Shop is one of the most creatively amazing albums I've ever listened too.