steam venting time!

[elfro89]

my brother has aspergers syndrome. And he decided to ask about string theory since I had been studying some of the ideas behind it for the best part of a year (not the math though cause im absolutely aweful at maths.) I though, sure man I'll do me best.

a 2 hour arguement follows with him going apeshit at me and stating that quoting from a book means I don't know anything about anything and then he uses everything I told him to tell me I'm all wrong and he knows better. Having absolutely no knowledge of the subject and using completely bogus arguements that make no sence like "the x y z dimentional probability of an apple split in half". i mean what the hell is that?

I love my bro but jesus christ. remind me never to talk physics to anyone ever again.

 

[mayfly]

Kinda reminds me of that discussion about string tension and bridge break angle

 

[line6man]

Lol.

I'll do the same thing, except I will only argue if I know damn well what I'm talking about.

 

[Alfang]

For a minute I was thinking string theory had something to do with guitars

I have heard that theory, and i don't buy it.  I like our physics science as much as the next guy, but some of these guys push theory a bit far.

Actually there are a few famous ideas from great paople that i don't agree with,  time/space is one of them, parallel universes and warped space are more I don't agree with.

Many of these ideas are a result of closing up a bad math problem, and you can quote me. Sorry Albert

 

[hannaugh]

a 2 hour arguement follows with him going apeshite at me and stating that quoting from a book means I don't know anything about anything and then he uses everything I told him to tell me I'm all wrong and he knows better.

...so he was mad that you yourself didn't come up with String Theory?  That's funny. 

 

[swarfrat]

Each level of Asperger's/Autism spectrum comes with its own challenges. I have several family members  with various degrees of Asperger's/Autism.  (Heck, my brother and I both were never diagnosed, but in hindsight... I know he is. Someone else might say something similar about me. ) You just have to learn that's part of who they are. At higher functioning levels of Asperger's, sometimes we can forget to cut them the slack we might were they more severely  affected by the condition. And when its your brother - it can be tough to separate the condition from the buttheadedness we all experience from each other growing up.

Go blow off some steam, and remember to cut him some slack.

 

[elfro89]

Each level of Asperger's/Autism spectrum comes with its own challenges. I have several family members  with various degrees of Asperger's/Autism.  (Heck, my brother and I both were never diagnosed, but in hindsight... I know he is. Someone else might say something similar about me. ) You just have to learn that's part of who they are. At higher functioning levels of Asperger's, sometimes we can forget to cut them the slack we might were they more severely  affected by the condition. And when its your brother - it can be tough to separate the condition from the buttheadedness we all experience from each other growing up.

Go blow off some steam, and remember to cut him some slack.

i do   love my brother

 

[jackthehack]

For a minute I was thinking string theory had something to do with guitars

I have heard that theory, and i don't buy it.  I like our physics science as much as the next guy, but some of these guys push theory a bit far.

Actually there are a few famous ideas from great paople that i don't agree with,  time/space is one of them, parallel universes and warped space are more I don't agree with.

Many of these ideas are a result of closing up a bad math problem, and you can quote me. Sorry Albert

Without getting into esoteric argument about the merits of string or super-string  theory, space/time and warped space aren't ideas/theories, but demonstrable empirical fact, e.g., exoplanets are being discovered by measuring "warped space's" effect on photons (light) being shifted by gravitational forces.

If you don't like scientists "pushing theory", then perhaps you'd be more comfortable returning to your cave/tree...

 

[GoDrex]

This is the thing about these conditions or disorders or whatever you want to call them. I'm kind of  clueless as how to deal with the person or the situation. Let me explain a little.

On another forum I used to get into arguments with a guy that was very conservative, religious, pro republican and George W. Bush. We would have all sort disagreements and often it would seem that he was reading things that I was not actually posting. So arguing or discussing anything with him was very frustrating when he would be basically putting words in my mouth. The guy is very intelligent, and knowledgeable about a lot of things, so this behavior was kind of confusing. And he wouldn't own up to it, even when I would show the evidence.

At first I chalked it up to a kind of "Fox News" make up your own reality kind of thinking. But I later on a learned from the guy's own admission that he has Aspergers.

So now I wonder how much of what he was doing is because of that? And why should I bother having a discussion with this person. I feel like he's sort of normal, but he's not. So I wonder what the point of even talking to the guy is? If he can't even read something without adding things into it that aren't there then how is meaningful communication even possible?

The guy is now a Ron Paul libertarian that now dislikes Bush and kind of agrees with a lot of what I was saying at the time, though I don't agree with libertarian thought either (but that's not relevant). I don't talk to him any more.

 

[AprioriMark]

This is the thing about these conditions or disorders or whatever you want to call them. I'm kind of  clueless as how to deal with the person or the situation. Let me explain a little.

On another forum I used to get into arguments with a guy that was very conservative, religious, pro republican and George W. Bush. We would have all sort disagreements and often it would seem that he was reading things that I was not actually posting. So arguing or discussing anything with him was very frustrating when he would be basically putting words in my mouth. The guy is very intelligent, and knowledgeable about a lot of things, so this behavior was kind of confusing. And he wouldn't own up to it, even when I would show the evidence.

At first I chalked it up to a kind of "Fox News" make up your own reality kind of thinking. But I later on a learned from the guy's own admission that he has Aspergers.

So now I wonder how much of what he was doing is because of that? And why should I bother having a discussion with this person. I feel like he's sort of normal, but he's not. So I wonder what the point of even talking to the guy is? If he can't even read something without adding things into it that aren't there then how is meaningful communication even possible?

The guy is now a Ron Paul libertarian that now dislikes Bush and kind of agrees with a lot of what I was saying at the time, though I don't agree with libertarian thought either (but that's not relevant). I don't talk to him any more.

I'm sure that was frustrating, but holy hell is it amusing to read. 

-Mark

 

[elfro89]

For a minute I was thinking string theory had something to do with guitars

I have heard that theory, and i don't buy it.  I like our physics science as much as the next guy, but some of these guys push theory a bit far.

Actually there are a few famous ideas from great paople that i don't agree with,  time/space is one of them, parallel universes and warped space are more I don't agree with.

Many of these ideas are a result of closing up a bad math problem, and you can quote me. Sorry Albert

Without getting into esoteric argument about the merits of string or super-string  theory, space/time and warped space aren't ideas/theories, but demonstrable empirical fact, e.g., exoplanets are being discovered by measuring "warped space's" effect on photons (light) being shifted by gravitational forces.

If you don't like scientists "pushing theory", then perhaps you'd be more comfortable returning to your cave/tree...

Jack, you argued that point better then i believe anyone on here could have. I think whats happening in string theory is stupidly exciting! there is no other subject that spurs my imagination. other then music of course!

 

[Alfang]

Jack, light bending arround a gravity force is not the space warping that I was talking about, stay in your tree please

 

[Jusatele]

It is when they bring up holes in time I get interested
I mean swampland, WTF, a area within the theory that is discussed if gravity does not exist
ok, now how does the theory of everything include an area that requires something not to exist to be?

 

[jackthehack]

Jack, light bending arround a gravity force is not the space warping that I was talking about, stay in your tree please

It is a physical manifestation of such; what "space warping" are you specifically referring to?

 

[jackthehack]

It is when they bring up holes in time I get interested
I mean swampland, WTF, a area within the theory that is discussed if gravity does not exist
ok, now how does the theory of everything including an area that requires something not to exist to be?

Are you referring to Eric Verlinde's paper/thesis “On the Origin of Gravity and the Laws of Newton”?  It's essentially an exercise in B.S. Just because we cannot at this point adequately EXPLAIN gravity, it's obvious physical, empirical, observable presence (think the trajectory of a bullet or an artillery shell or a planet's orbit) certainly doesn't mean that it does not exist as an empirical force or can be explained as entropic force.

As to the "Grand Unified Theory", it may well be a simplistic red herring of a hypothesis, even Hawkins has had to entertain that idea in his latest book. What are you referring to by your comment "how does the theory of everything including an area that requires something not to exist to be?"?

 

[Jusatele]

the area of the theory called swamp land
Look I am probably not as well read on the entire thing
To me it is a curiosity not a Drs. thesis. I mean I have read about it and the related strings ( I believe we call them super  strings ) mainly because it happened to pick about that much curiosity. Now saying that I found it funny that we created an area within the theory called swampland. And in that where we place theories that depend on bending other theories can reside. Compact dimensions, duality and such are easy but when it comes to attraction of matter and the forces they expend on each other? But then that should be simple as if you go deep enough all matter is energy, and energy is just a point on a spectrum, sound, sight, color, touch, taste, electricity, etc. is all just a point of vibration we use in the electrical receptor we call a brain to define reality around us. What is reality and do any two of u interpret  it the same way? Is reality the same to each of us? If we slowly put our hand on a 2 ton ingot of metal it hurts us not, but speed up that to 1000 fps and make it 35 grams and it can kill us, energy.
So in trying to understand such we need a place to place that which we have not yet defined, Kinda sounds like religion, a device used to explain what our science has not expanded to explain yet.
Anyway............what now is perception and what is reality? and seeing as sound and light are just a different place on a wavelength, is reality actually just perception?
And was it just a few years ago we were debating that string theory is the theory that everything is failure?

Personally, I think it is a great experiment in math, but that is about it.