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steve1

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I've just ordered one of the new Fender Starcaster reissues.
I'm interested in converting it to a 12-string.
Will a Warmoth 12 string neck fit and intonate properly?
 
Probably - it seems to have the same specs as all other strat style necks: 25.5" scale, 22 frets, looks to be rounded heel.  There'd be very little reason for them to create a new style of neck & neck joint just for one guitar - even a re-issue, so there's a very good reason to suspect it will be a regular strat style pocket & thus totally compatible w/Warmoth.

No guarantees, of course, but I'd be just as curious about where to get a 12 string TOM & tailpiece.  :icon_scratch:
 
ihnpts said:
No guarantees, of course, but I'd be just as curious about where to get a 12 string TOM & tailpiece.  :icon_scratch:

Must be out there. Got one on my Agile AS1000:

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Bagman67 said:
SustainerPlayer said:
^^The google is strong with this one ^^


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=12+string+tune-o-matic+guitar+bridge


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Haw!  I am humbled by THE POWER OF THE INTERNET!!!  I recall once searching out of curiosity for one a while ago, looking at guitarpartsresource, allparts, and a few other places.  Foolish of me to not have used the Goog.  But then it's not exactly an urgent priority for me to have a 12 strong TOM.

Looks like an even more realistic possibility for the OP now!
 
Don't do it until yoh know for sure. I believe the original guitars had 22 frets with no overhang, may well be the case with the reissues.
 
ಠ_ಠ said:
Don't do it until yoh know for sure. I believe the original guitars had 22 frets with no overhang, may well be the case with the reissues.

It certainly looks that way...

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22 frets, no overhang = bridge in the wrong place = will not intonate correctly with a Warmoth neck.
 
Fat Pete said:
ಠ_ಠ said:
Don't do it until yoh know for sure. I believe the original guitars had 22 frets with no overhang, may well be the case with the reissues.

It certainly looks that way...

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22 frets, no overhang = bridge in the wrong place = will not intonate correctly with a Warmoth neck.


That neck pocket doesn't look as snug as it could be.

 
That neck pocket doesn't look as snug as it could be.

A "snug neck pocket" can certainly be taken as an indication of good craftsmanship. I have even seen, somewhere or another, a pix of luthier guy holding up the neck with body hanging from it - "Look Ma! No screws!" However, I have noticed that they do then put the screws in before they string it up - the reason being, the screws are what hold the neck on! There is a peachy-keen setup trick, I don't remember where I got it but it is also advocated in the G&L setup guide. And that is:

When you've got everything together, strings more-or-less up to tension (but before final intonation setting) - loosen the neck screws slightly, and the neck may go "Thwack!" into place, as the string tension pulls the neck solidly into the body.

It's a a Good Thing!



I am not aware of the research showing how much of the string's vibrations are dampened or lost by the lack of pressure upon the neck coming from the perpendicular (sideways) direction; maybe it's so obvious that it goes without saying or... testing. Have you ever heard o fa Guitarist named Scotty Anderson? He's one of the all-time great zippy Telecaster country/jazz guys -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Q6vs5la8k&list=PL481227E06A298535

For the most part, he favors a 1968 Telecaster, and that and the 1969's are generally held to be the last great ones before the CBS beancounters managed to both screw the pooch, and get screwed by the pooch. However, as can clearly be seen at 043, 0:51 et alia, the Teles from those two years had neck pocket sides you could drive a truck through, or at least stick a dime in!

Lest we dismiss Mr. Anderson as just another sick, weird freak, there were another couple of guys who loved their truck-thru 1968 Telecasters too. You may have heard of Brad Paisley? Or James Burton? Of course those guys were like Extra-Double Super-Idiots, not only were their neck pockets looser than a two-dollar Tijuana... neck pocket, they played PAISLEY guitars! These were made by cutting out a piece of icky-thick paisley-patterned fabric, and then laminating it to the body with icky-thick poly plastic coating! No chance whatsoever of those babies ever breathing... as we know, solidbody guitars must breathe.

WHOA! HEY! Maybe, just maybe... they're breathing through their neck pockets! Like some secret kind-of... STEALTH GILLS.  :hello2:

Nah, they just suck. So, after you've thrown out all the Warmoth Flying V's (who once thought that their necks were held on by the screws)  and after you've thrown out all the VIP's (who once thought that their necks were held on by the screws) and after you've thrown out all the doublecuts - WOHOHO, believe it or not, they once thought that their necks were held on by the screws) , could you make sure to inform Mssrs. Anderson, Burton & Paisley how bad they suck, and be sure to mention why? I'm sure they'll welcome the help.
 
Starcaster necks and bodies are NOT compatible with Warmoth products. The Fender necks is 22 frets with no overhang. No dice.
 
Boy, I'd love to take a set of calipers to it... you can sort of visualize the entire neck-to-bridge being "pushed out" away from the bottom, compared to a normal Fender/Warmoth; and if it's pushed out 0.50" a warhead 24-fretter would fit, EXCEPT for the pickup. You'd have to buy or make a HB-> SC plate for the neck position. The bottom of the neck pocket-to-bridge is the pertinent measurement - 7.0" for a normie, 6.5" for a Warhead.
 
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