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Stainless Steel Frets? Hmm..

To be totally honest, I don't think I can actually feel a difference, at least not in my fingertips while I'm playing. I guess I'm so impressed with them because they don't really wear down and they don't scratch. I've been playing this white guitar for 2 years now and the frets look brand new.
MULLY
 
i don't notice any more flat spots in the strings or dead strings than other frets. i play with a light touch on tall frets, almost like playing a scalloped neck. maybe if you can't play with finesse? i dunno. alternatively i notice flat spots in frets on almost all guitars i pick up with nickel frets. would you rather buy cheap strings often or expensive fret work often?

i've never installed frets, i would say i have the skills but i would rather buy a new neck than take the time, that's just me though... but seems techs need to learn some metal working. if you can't find flush end cutters tough enough, and i admit stainless wire can be tough on these types of tools if it's in a hardened state, try something different. tool up to do the job properly instead of complaining it's too hard... if it were me i'd make a wooden V block to support the neck so it doesn't rock and cut the excess with a fine tooth band saw blade. they also make file blades for band saws so you can leave a bit, then get it closer a little at a time before you finish it by hand with a quality hand file or stone. if you are re fretting a set neck you may try an occilating saw like they use in the medical industry to cut the last fret ends. the cool thing is that with a cutting or ginding attachment these saws only cut hard material while leaving flesh mostly unharmed, you ca protect the finish with leather. saws have little trouble with stainless if you buy quality blades and know your sfpm (surface feet per minute), the oscilating saw can use abasive atachments to cut as well. there is a science behind cutting metal, if you learn the science you can become better in your craft.

there is a misconception that stainless is hard and needs diamond tools. this is actually a bad idea. diamond is carbon and has an affinity for iron, you will waist an expensive tool fast. it is best for non metalic parts like ceramic, or bone or other nut materials.. it may work ok on non fearous metals but genrally isn't needed for any metal work. traditional files should work on stainless if they are fine and cross cut but for finnishing you will need an abrasive. standard abrasives like silicon carbide or even aluminum oxide are fine for stainless.
 
Dan0 said:
there is a misconception that stainless is hard and needs diamond tools. this is actually a bad idea. diamond is carbon and has an affinity for iron, you will waist an expensive tool fast. it is best for non metalic parts like ceramic, or bone or other nut materials.. it may work ok on non fearous metals but genrally isn't needed for any metal work. traditional files should work on stainless if they are fine and cross cut but for finnishing you will need an abrasive. standard abrasives like silicon carbide or even aluminum oxide are fine for stainless.

I don't know... most of my work these days is on stainless frets and I use mostly diamond tools because they don't wear. Plus, I get a finer finish as I go so polishing is easier. For that I do use abrasives, of course. My go-to stuff is 3M's polishing papers, which are actually more like cloth than paper. I believe that stuff uses silicon carbide for an abrasive, but it may be aluminum oxide in some grades. Supposed to be for softer materials, but it does a bang-up job on frets. Now, that stuff wears fast.
 
those 3m cloths are really nice. i need to pick some up again.

ok looked into it and the diamond is more a problem with grinding, at high temperatures the problems become apparent. maybe it is fine for filing but we don't use much diamond around the machine shops for metals but it can be used on metals like copper and aluminum for a mirror like finish. 

http://www.gearsolutions.com/article/detail/5499/hard-choices-diamond-or-cbn

 
Yeah, for all intents and purposes there's no heat involved with filing frets by hand. It's pretty slow work. Plus, you're basically just breaking the corners at about .010" wide at at time, if that. The whole fret is only .100" wide at max, and you're never seeing that much surface at once because it's round. You're just hitting a tangent.
 
Cagey said:
Yeah, for all intents and purposes there's no heat involved with filing frets by hand. It's pretty slow work. Plus, you're basically just breaking the corners at about .010" wide at at time, if that. The whole fret is only .100" wide at max, and you're never seeing that much surface at once because it's round. You're just hitting a tangent.

Cagey just earned about a kajillion respect points with this one. So many times I've seen people type it "intense and purposes" and that drives me up a tree. I never go after people for that stuff though. Rather than go grammar Nazi on someone for making a mistake I prefer to show respect when it's right. Now, don't get me started on "irregardless".
MULLY
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mullyman said:
Cagey said:
Yeah, for all intents and purposes there's no heat involved with filing frets by hand. It's pretty slow work. Plus, you're basically just breaking the corners at about .010" wide at at time, if that. The whole fret is only .100" wide at max, and you're never seeing that much surface at once because it's round. You're just hitting a tangent.

Cagey just earned about a kajillion respect points with this one. So many times I've seen people type it "intense and purposes" and that drives me up a tree. I never go after people for that stuff though. Rather than go grammar Nazi on someone for making a mistake I prefer to show respect when it's right. Now, don't get me started on "irregardless".
MULLY

now back to the thread.....

I have a buddy who types and says the phrase like "for all intensive purposes" Drives me crazy. I can relate.
 
Kuro Uma said:
mullyman said:
Cagey said:
Yeah, for all intents and purposes there's no heat involved with filing frets by hand. It's pretty slow work. Plus, you're basically just breaking the corners at about .010" wide at at time, if that. The whole fret is only .100" wide at max, and you're never seeing that much surface at once because it's round. You're just hitting a tangent.

Cagey just earned about a kajillion respect points with this one. So many times I've seen people type it "intense and purposes" and that drives me up a tree. I never go after people for that stuff though. Rather than go grammar Nazi on someone for making a mistake I prefer to show respect when it's right. Now, don't get me started on "irregardless".
MULLY

now back to the thread.....

I have a buddy who types and says the phrase like "for all intensive purposes" Drives me crazy. I can relate.

Haha!! Yep, that would be irritating.
MULLY
 
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mullyman said:
Cagey said:
Yeah, for all intents and purposes there's no heat involved with filing frets by hand. It's pretty slow work. Plus, you're basically just breaking the corners at about .010" wide at at time, if that. The whole fret is only .100" wide at max, and you're never seeing that much surface at once because it's round. You're just hitting a tangent.

Cagey just earned about a kajillion respect points with this one. So many times I've seen people type it "intense and purposes" and that drives me up a tree. I never go after people for that stuff though. Rather than go grammar Nazi on someone for making a mistake I prefer to show respect when it's right. Now, don't get me started on "irregardless".
MULLY
now back to the thread.....
 
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my sister is bad with some of these even as an adult. also says "exspecially" and others. but some of that is never corrected young and is a speech habit. it really drives me crazy when people make grammar mistakes on the internet who are trying to look intelligent. i can deal with spelling, quite frankly i'm too lazy to proof read or use a spell checker or even hit shift to capitalize when it type. but when people mix up then/than or say "of" instead of "have" it drives me nuts. i still remember these lessons as a small child in school, why can't other people? what really drives me nuts is when i see this on computer forums from so called "developers" how can i take someone seriously in their ability to understand programming if they can't understand english?
 
A guy at work uses "evidencially," a lot and it kind of drives me a bit crazier than usual.  The misuse of, "proxy," is another that gets me going.  Very hard to keep the thought train on the tracks when dealing with those, uh, issues.
Patrick

 
One thing that particularly gets my goat is if you point out someone's mistake, you're a "pedant" or a "grammar fascist/nazi". Even if it was a spelling or syntax mistake, nothing to do with grammar.

On the other hand, if someone's bad spelling is used as a way to dismiss their points in a debate, well that's just bad form. It's basically argument ad hominem - "if you can't spell carburettor, your point about which is the best kind of motor oil is OBVIOUSLY invalid!".
 
I could care less about these grammatical points. 

Its not an important subject like nuculer power or something.....

On a more serious note, when I moved to Pittsburgh 5 years ago I had to learn the peculiar idiosyncrasies of the native tongue.  I'm still learning.  For example, in Pittsburgh you might hear someone say "that guitar needs tuned," or perhaps,"that car needs fixed." 

At first I started using that sentence construction as a joke around my partner to prove I was assimilating. After awhile I'm shocked to hear myself slipping it into my everyday speech by accident because I hear it so much around me that it is starting to sound correct in my mind.
 
Nightclub Dwight said:
I could care less about these grammatical points. 

Its not an important subject like nuculer power or something.....

On a more serious note, when I moved to Pittsburgh 5 years ago I had to learn the peculiar idiosyncrasies of the native tongue.  I'm still learning.  For example, in Pittsburgh you might hear someone say "that guitar needs tuned," or perhaps,"that car needs fixed." 

At first I started using that sentence construction as a joke around my partner to prove I was assimilating. After awhile I'm shocked to hear myself slipping it into my everyday speech by accident because I hear it so much around me that it is starting to sound correct in my mind.

i hope "i could care less" was used ironically. because it's almost meaningless, mean you care some indeterminate amount that is more than the minimum you could possibly care. you could say i "couldn't care less" and that might make some sense. and it is one of my peeves.

yeah i've heard the pitsburgh thing, rather than saying it needs sweeping, fixing/repair, a tuning, or just saying the words "to be" they just butchered the sentence all together. in the military that was something i had to get used to. another one that through me off in the military was "put it up" rather than put it away/ in it's place... i honestly never heard that term till i was 19 and really had no idea what people were talking about. there was other things but i can't remember some of it.
 
I suspect everybody got it, but the mistake is so common it's beginning to look normal.
 
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