So you think u-tube makes learning songs easier?

[mayfly]

ok, I'm a big fan of the Sadies.  We already cover some of their songs.  I wanted to learn another one called 'postcards', which has some cool b-bender licks in it.

I tried for a bit on my own, but then I thought "Hey!! I'll just check youTube!  They're sure to have a video on it!"

So here's the official video, with nice clear shots of the fretboard and everything:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sP--pKxJOg

I don't know about you, but I can barely stand to look at it, let alone learn the solo and other licks from it.  Guess it's back to the old way 

 

[john_p_wi]

I have been playing since 1980 (although you would never know it) and must say that the tube is magnitudes easier to learn tunes from than picking the record needle up and repeating sections of a song like we used to.  Even if it is only seeing a glimpse of the actual artist playing the song in concert etc, the tube can be a great tool.

Unfortunately, like everything else on the net, one has to be intelligent enough to understand IF the information is valid or not...

A colleague of mine feels that the tube has done nothing but create "mocking jays", someone who can play the song, but not understand the fundamentals of it.

 

[Doughboy]

This is just bad / awkward editing that makes it hard. Normally YouTube is great for this kind of thing.

 

[mayfly]

I just thought it was funny.  "Man - I can't even watch this let alone learn from it!".

It's obviously intentional.  But I wonder if they did it with people like me in mind "good luck learning the song buddy!" 

 

[bagman67]

Cool song, though - I left the youtube tab open and went on with other business once I got past the epileptic seizure it induced.

 

[SustainerPlayer]

That video sure sucked. 

 

[NLD09]

That video needs an epilepsy warning.

 

[Day-mun]

...just watched video,

-I think I saw one of 'em play a G, but I can't be sure...

 

[swarfrat]

:tard:

The weirdest part of that was that the music didn't really fit the attempt to be "edgy" with the video.  We're not talking punk no I mean  emotechnogrindcoregumshoegazeohheckwecantthinkofanymorewordstodifferentiateourselvesfromeveryotherpunksubgenrebeforeussowellmakeupanewone.  Honestly, it came off looking more like software glitches than effects.

 

[mayfly]

Cool song, though - I left the youtube tab open and went on with other business once I got past the epileptic seizure it induced.

If you liked the band, check out this much better live video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtG0w9lGfnc

 

[Re-Pete]

I'm gonna take a Panadol and have a good lie down after watching that Video.....Gave me a headache.  :sad:

Just when it gets interesting, the technicolour flashing starts. So you start looking hard, paying attention and BAM! "seizure city" begins.

 

[dmraco]

Watching a music video is next to impossible.  And watching a "Lesson" take take and eternity because these guys break it down to the least common denominator.

I have used YouTube with great success.

This for example....just enough to get me playing a  more challenging song to learn....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNK-NibFWSo

 

[stubhead]

Makes me wonder if the guy can even play without a B-bender... :icon_biggrin: I've been playing long enough that I can pretty much hear what and where the guy's playing the chords, if it's a regular rock "guitar song." Once a band gets bigger - like with a full-time keyboard player who also writes & arranges, or even normal old guitar bands that happen to go psycho, like the Eagles quite seriously play songs with four distinct guitar parts - live - you have to make guesses, and choices.

I'm not at all sure about the overall effect. I find most Mp3's painful to listen to, if I'm listening carefully & hard. It's O.K. for just a quick bibbett on YouTube, but THE SOUND OF MUSIC overall these days is horrible, and the computer's largely to blame for that. By now, there are a whole LOT of people who think that the way Takamine & Ovation guitars sound on stage is the way that acoustic guitars are supposed to sound, they think that godawful fizzy sound is a... GOOD sound?!?! Dave Matthews.... There is something fundamentally wrong with ceramic saddles as the sole source of production.

And my TV's been in the closet going on six years now, but I remember trying to listen to American Idol around 2005, 2006. Between the FOX network's stepping on the signal, and our local distributor (Sinclair) stepping it down some more - trying to send the music with as few bits as possible - it all sounded like crap. All the guitars sounded like fuzztones - and so did all the singers.

My guitar students tend to treat their song "collections" from a sort of greed-based hoarding state of mine - on their iPods they're all like "I got that song!" "Oh yeah, well I got THAT song too!" But they can't hardly listen to an entire four minute song... I finally train them NOT to show me the online "tutorials" that are just a sales pitch, or these bizarre "scale finders" and "chord finders." Yes - you can "find" any scale in any key.

"Hey, here's the double harmonic minor scale!"
"How about in F#..."
"Yes! Here it is, right there!"
"But WHERE is it..."
"Right there! Right there on the screen!"
"But where IS it?"

I have this old-fashioned notion that "knowing" a song or technique means you can PLAY it on your guitar....
And another hangup of mine, if the tone you use to play one note is a hideous scoop-fuzzed earwreck - playing a bunch of notes isn't an improvement. Maybe I am getting old, because it seems like the one wish I have for so many new musicians is: SLOW DOWN.

 

[Cagey]

I find most Mp3's painful to listen to, if I'm listening carefully & hard. It's O.K. for just a quick bibbett on YouTube, but THE SOUND OF MUSIC overall these days is horrible, and the computer's largely to blame for that. By now, there are a whole LOT of people who think that the way Takamine & Ovation guitars sound on stage is the way that acoustic guitars are supposed to sound, they think that godawful fizzy sound is a... GOOD sound?!?! Dave Matthews.... There is something fundamentally wrong with ceramic saddles as the sole source of production. 

It's not the computer's fault, it's the implementation. Everybody wants MP3s at low bit rates so they can have 87 bajillion songs jammed into 16GB. Then, for as expensive as iPods are, they're a damn sight cheaper than a proper reproduction system. Net result? Expectations are incredibly low. Most folks less than 30 years old rarely hear music properly reproduced. I mean, who owns a monster stereo or can afford to go to a concert these days?

You can do digital quite well. Record raw or in FLAC or OGG, and you can get back what you put in. But, lossless formats eat a lotta storage space, and who's paying attention anyway?

 

[mayfly]

I just recently made myself a nice phono preamp and got a new stylus for the old Rega Planar III.  Then I made myself a passive 'preamp' (a switch with a glorified volume control) then into the Pluto loudspeakers.

Now that sounds great!  Everything from 'VanHalen I' to 'Alice's' Restaurant' sounds very fine.

Just needed to share...