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(slightly) offset strat in progress...

BrotherJack

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This is my latest project in progress.  Just working on the body for now (laid out with some junky parts so I can get an idea where it's going).  By the time it's done, it's going to get a Warmoth neck with no inlays, a much simpler pickguard, some dark stain, and a Tru Oil finish.  I'm thinking I may even go so simple as to have a single humbucker in the neck position (what I use for 95% of my playing, and could probably do 100% of with i if I wanted to), or at most, dual humbuckers.  I'm also reaaaal tempted to try a Lace Alumitone in this thing.  I keep reading good things about them, and if they're as clear as everyone says, one of those in the neck would probably make me a happy camper. 

I'm also militantly pursuing the goal of having a 100% Made in the USA guitar; every screw, every wire, etc.  So far, I'm pretty much on track for it, once all the parts get here.  I've found Made in the USA sources for screws, bridge, jack, ferules, strap knobs, etc (some of which took some fairly hard looking around).  I suppose some of those bits are probably made from foreign sourced materials or are more technically 'assembled in the USA' and the manufacture just lies and says 'Made in the USA' on the box, but I have no way of knowing all that, so as long as it legitimately said 'Made in the USA' on it, I figure that's their conscience that has to live with that, not mine.    :)

The body is offset a bit, not as much as a Jazzmaster or whatever, but definitely enough to notice.  That came about because my right shoulder is fairly bad, so I tend to play with my guitar slung down below my belt  - not so I can look cool, but so I can relax that shoulder as much as possible while I'm playing.  But in that position, my arm hangs over a standard strat body farther forward and at the wrong angle to get any benefit from the forearm comfort contour.  So as I was building a new one, I figured - what the heck, nothing stopping me from modifying the contours a bit for my own satisfaction.  I could have just gone with modifying only the forearm contour to wrap it farther forward on the body, but I thought as long as I was at it, why not do something to make it more obviously a custom guitar (as if the inlay-less neck with a 3x3 headstock and cool stained wood finish wouldn't have been a good clue, LOL), so I gave it some offset as well, and am REALLY pleased with how it came out.  I was tempted to go a bit more with the offset, but right about there was the point at which I thought "that looks cool, and if I go much farther, it might start looking less cool" so I stopped there.  :)

The first picture below is just rough shaped and rough sanded.  I had just laid out to get a good visual rough impression of how the final will look.  The second pic is after the first of several rounds of finish sanding.  I did the shaping with 80 grit on a drum sander and with a hand orbital sander (also 80 grit).  I then did some 100 and then 120 grit smoothing with a small vibrating sander.  Then I wiped it down gently with a moist cloth to get the rough ends of the grain to stand up/out, and from there it was all by hand as I worked painstakingly from 180 grit all the way up to 5000 grit (yes, 5000 grit).  Then one more gentle wipe with a moist cloth, and repeat the whole thing, this time starting at 220 grit.  I'm pretty sure I crossed the line between 'sanding' and 'polishing' somewhere around 1500 grit, but the better the surface is prepped, the better the finished product, and this is getting nothing but stain and Tru Oil, so I wanted it polished as smooth as humanly possible before I moved on to applying the finishes.  That 2nd picture honestly does it no justice - you can see that it's shiny-smooth, yeah, but not near as much as you do with the naked eye, and you'd swear if you handled it, I'd already grain filled and Tru Oil'ed it - it's just "I can't believe it!" smooth.    Only took about 6 hours of elbow grease, hah!

Anyway, here's the pics.  Hope you guys enjoy.

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That's some very attractive work! I like it.

You're probably past finishing it with anything at this point, though. When you sand wood that fine, it doesn't want to take any finish. If you follow the furniture and/or turners forums at all, they warn against burnishing the wood for that very reason. It's nice if you're using a wood that you're going to leave raw, but without anything for the finish to bite into, it's sort of a waste of time. The stuff will flake/peel off.

On the plus side, you probably don't have to worry too much about a finish anyway. Big chunk of wood like an electric guitar body isn't going to warp all out shape on you. You don't have to worry about it like you do a neck. Might end up blemished from sweat and skin oils over time, though. But, you can just call it "relic'd" and add $450 to the price <grin>

As far as how it hangs, I don't know about your particular body difficulties, but I do know if you can't keep your neck wrist straight while you play that you'll end up with problems from that. You don't want to hang the guitar low if you can help it. The pain, loss of accuracy and loss of speed is just not worth it.
 
Thanks man, I appreciate it!  I am really jazzed how it's coming out, both looks, and feel.  I bolted the neck and strap buttons on it and hung it around my neck, and it is (easily) the most comfortable guitar I've ever had hanging - the arm contour and offset puts things in all the right places for me, and despite being a slightly heavy ish body (4lbs), it feels fairly light.  I will probably drill and/or rout out under the pickguard some to shave a few more ounces, but

You may be right on the over-smoothed thing, we shall see.    But I'm still confident enough to try it.  As I said, all I'm trying to get is it stained (well, technically, it'll be dye), and Tru Oiled - neither of which are really 'finish' in the traditional sense.  I'm shooting for a fairly rustic looking rig anyway; so as long as I can get it to turn dark enough it doesn't look white like it does currently, and get just enough Tru Oil on it to prevent my arm sweat from staining it, I'm cool.  It doesn't have to be the most even color job ever done (in fact, I'd be a bit sad if it was; I'm looking for 'old, worn, been around the block furniture look (but not so much as to be relic'd)' kind of vibe. 

Also, for the kind of playing I do, having the guitar that low is fine.  I mostly just make guitar noises in the right key so I can sing over it, I'm not (even remotely) a serious shredder or anything (though I do on special occasion dust off some tasty blues licks).  And I don't mean I hang it down to my knees.  If you stood up properly straight (something else I have to do, on account of a bad back), let your right arm hang naturally down over the front of the guitar, and then hang it so the high E string is a couple inches above where your picking hand would hit full extension, that's where I hang mine.    I guesstimate that the low E string is probably about even with the bottom of my belt buckle.  If I was yee olde lead guitar player, I'm sure it would get old on my wrist, but for a strummer like me, s'all good.

I'll post update on how the (attempts?) at dye and  TruOil go, hopefully by sometime late next week.  I'd get it on it sooner, but  I'm still waiting on a few important parts to arrive in the mail so I can have every last hole drilled, every part test fit, etc - BEFORE I start with the final finishing process.  Call me lazy, but I've accidentally scratched enough things in my life while drilling/routing/etc, to now do all that kind of work first, if at all possible.  :)

Cheers, all!
 
Dang it, the more I've looked at the body sitting off to the side of my desk (I work from home) today, the more I have to fight the temptation to not stain it and just leave it white-ish, and just slap some Tru Oil on it and call it day... but I don't (want to) like white(ish) guitars.... I like dark (ish) ones... but it looks sooo nice just like it is...

^ see, it's this kind of thinking that keeps me from ever building 'the one' and playing happily ever since.... LOL..
 
So? Build another one. Use different pickups and a different neck and it'll sound a lot different even if everything else is the same. Then you'll have two, and you'll be fully addicted at that point  :laughing7:
 
You somehow seem to assume I'm not fully addicted already?  Hahahah - I must have you fooled!  :)    I am admittedly newb-ish at guitar building (less than a dozen thus far (unless I count ones I'm in progress with but not finished with)), but I have the addiction, no doubt.  It seems to have taken over where my gun and ammo building addiction left off, which took over for my 4x4 addiction, which took over for my home reno addiction (I actually made a living at that for a while), which took over for.... you get the idea).  Yes, I'm one of those..  :headbang1: 
 
I keep telling myself "just one more... I learned so much from the last build, that the next one will be even better..."    Or sometimes it starts like "whole E what?  someone on fleeBay is selling one of (some cool part) for THAT PRICE?  They might as well give it away!!! oh heck,  if they're going to to do that, they might as well give it to ME."  :)

Ne hoo...  :guitarplayer2:
 
I'ma do one more coat to darken it a touch more than you see here, but the stain seems to be taking nicely (good enough for me, anyway).  W00T!

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After the final coat of stain - perfect (to my eye) degree of dark.  Holding up a pickguard so as to get a better visual of what the final result will look like.  I'm so excited to see this finished, I can hardly stand it!  But, I got no time to even touch this again till next Thursday at best (and more likely next weekend), and that'll just be Tru Oil and then wait some more...  so... this is it for a while. 

stained-guitar-2.jpg

 
That finish is going to jump out with the Tru oil, I think... I like the look of the pickup covers against the black.
 
Thanks man, yeah, I am likewise thinking that some tru oil on that is going to be totally :toothy10:  :rock-on:  :cool01:  :hello2:  (heck, in my eyes, it's pretty much there with just the stain!)

The final pickguard/pickup setup is still  up in the air, and I won't know till I've finished trying a few things, but it'll be something in the neighborhood of what you see there visually (ie: chrome pickups in a black pickguard).    The possibilities thus far are:

Possibility 1)  A single chrome Lace Alumitone humbucker (in either neck or bridge).  I'ma have to play them a while to see if I think I could live with just one, and if so, would it be neck or bridge?  The simplicity appeals to me, so I'm hoping this is where I wind up.

Possibility 2)  A pair of chrome Lace Alumitone humubkcers (one neck, one bridge), if I decide I like them enough that I can be happy to have them and no other pickups, but still want to switch between bridge and neck for various stufffs.

Possibility 3)  That same pickguard you see there, with the same Alumitones, and with the hot rails in the middle for when I want to fall back to more standard pickup sounding sounds.

Possibility 4) I may find that I hate the Lace Alumitones entirely, in which case I'll probably fall back to punt and throw the Giovanni's (or chrome covered Seymour Duncan's) in it in a HH config/pickguard, same as I did on this one (with a single 5 way instead of the dual-switch setup):  http://unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=24876.15

Possibility 5) I'll continue to be distracted by other ideas and do something different than any of the 4.  :)

Thanks,
 
That's a lot of options  :)

I'm sure you'll find one you like, then there's always the next design you think of.
 
Heh - yeah.  I am still going through metamorphosis looking for "it" for pickups setups.    Until about a year ago, I'd played a 1980-something Charvel model 6 for about the last 15 years.  It came with some kind of semi-active electronic Jackson pickups, and it sounded fine enough through my little Vox tube amp.  But time went by, and I eventually wanted a lighter guitar for my shoulders (that one was 9.5lbs!), and I got into playing with the so-called 'amp modeling' effects processors, and so now here I am building guitars left right and center and playing a wide array of pickup combo's. 

I'm getting closer, but still probably 5 or 10 more things I want to try before I settle down with just one.  :)

 
Looking good there BrotherJack!

BrotherJack said:
Possibility 5) I'll continue to be distracted by other ideas and do something different than any of the 4.  :)

Sounds like you have a solid grasp of the creative process! I know I'm never quite sure exactly how a creative project is going to end up until its actually done. That's part of the fun!
 
BigSteve22 said:
Sounds like you have a solid grasp of the creative process! I know I'm never quite sure exactly how a creative project is going to end up until its actually done. That's part of the fun!

^^^ this  :headbang:  :occasion14:  :icon_thumright:
 
Cagey - some things have not changed!

http://unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=22545.msg334391#msg334391 

Alumitones still ship with the wrong screws (ask me how I know).    ???  :(

 
Ah, that's so discouraging!  I really want to like Alumitones, but there's just something about the production value, between cross-threaded screws and the overall feel of them that turns me off.  I like the sound, I've had them in the guitars I've been playing for them last year and a half..they work well for what I do and how I play, but....sigh. 

I really wish Lace would bring aboard ONE person with a decent marketing background to help them out with product development.  Or they could have an active forum, and just mine that for geeky-techy-practical feedback.  But no, they just reissue chincy stuff with gimmicky colors...sign....why aren't there Lawrence/Wilde knock-offs that are cheaper than Bardens!?
 
I know, I was pretty bummed too.  I was gonna have them suckers all soldered up and ready to rock in a pick guard by now.    I'm going to be OK with it long term, I hope/think.  I can replace some screws, and I'm actually a fan of the lightweight design. My scale says they're going to shave nearly 1/2 a pound off my guitar (and you make light guitars an oz at a time, you don't take it all out of one place).  I'm shooting for something right at 6lbs, and it looks like I'm going to hit 5.8 to 5.9 according to my kitchen scale when I stacked all the parts on it.   

My only concern (and not that much of one) is the sound/tone of them.  I don't play crunchy stuff, I like either smooth clean tones (I'm 100% sure from YouTube that they'll be absolutely killer at that), or I like some PAF-ish growl-y tones (think George Thourogood meets ZZ Top and then back the gain off a notch or so, and compress it a bit).  I play exclusively through amp modelers (either Vox or TC Helicon), so I am thinking that'll be pretty do-able if I take some time to dial in the modeler settings.

But yeah... right now, I'm a kid with a new toy who can't play with it.  :(
 
zebra said:
why aren't there Lawrence/Wilde knock-offs that are cheaper than Bardens!?

Maybe because they're not necessary? Actual Lawrence/Wilde pickups aren't expensive at all, so what would there be to gain from a knock-off? The only thing I'd like to see from Wilde pickups is perhaps some inventory, or some way of reducing their lead time to from seasons to weeks or less. Also, a website that made a modicum of sense and provided a little information here and there wouldn't be unwelcome.
 
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