Quartersawn arcade?

[Cederick]

I can't see this in the builder... Is that because of the extra wood piece for the tilted headstock?

Another question: Is quartersawn actually heavier than regular maple?! I have read somebody writing this on some forum some time (probably on Unofficial) but I can't remember too good... I just can't see how it could be heavier... It's the same material just cut another way?

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

In my experience, weight is subjective anyway.
I've seen Rock Maple in all variances of weight, same with any other maple.

Quartersawn compared to Flatsawn, is just another cut of the same species of maple.

 

[Cederick]

Exactly, that's why I think it's weird I've seen somebody saying it's heavier!

Or maybe I've confused it with the double action truss rod in the same post, maybe.
The double trussrod weight isn't an issue for me at all.

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

Exactly, that's why I think it's weird I've seen somebody saying it's heavier!

Or maybe I've confused it with the double action truss rod in the same post, maybe.
The double trussrod weight isn't an issue for me at all.

The double action truss rods, as far as a raw material goes, is a tad heavier, but in the context of a neck construction, I would still say that the perceived weight increase is subjective.

The only real blindfold test would be same shafts, same fingerboards, same fretwire, same tuners, same finish (if applicable), all compiled into each respective neck. 

It's like saying, "I feel lighter each day as my hair recedes"...

 

[Cagey]

Well, the weight increase isn't 'subjective', it's real. But it's barely perceptible. We're talking a few ounces. Wood density will have a greater effect on weight. I go through a lotta necks here and I had the opportunity some time back to compare necks that were otherwise identical.

If you want light and delicious, roasted Maple. Mmm... Kinda surprising, as Maple isn't really a lightweight wood.

Another concern I see from time to time is tuner weight, which is something else you don't need to worry about. I can't find the thread now, but some time back I actually weighed a set of Klusons, Schallers and Sperzels and there was so little difference it wasn't worth talking about. The Kluson junk looks like it should weigh less, but they're made of steel, while most everybody else is diecasting their housings out of zinc. The good stuff looks heavy, but it's not.

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

Well, the weight increase isn't 'subjective', it's real. But it's barely perceptible.

Better choice of words, thank you sir.

 

[Cederick]

Well, the weight increase isn't 'subjective', it's real. But it's barely perceptible. We're talking a few ounces. Wood density will have a greater effect on weight. I go through a lotta necks here and I had the opportunity some time back to compare necks that were otherwise identical.

If you want light and delicious, roasted Maple. Mmm... Kinda surprising, as Maple isn't really a lightweight wood.

Another concern I see from time to time is tuner weight, which is something else you don't need to worry about. I can't find the thread now, but some time back I actually weighed a set of Klusons, Schallers and Sperzels and there was so little difference it wasn't worth talking about. The Kluson junk looks like it should weigh less, but they're made of steel, while most everybody else is diecasting their housings out of zinc. The good stuff looks heavy, but it's not.

Haha well I might talk about different guitar ideas, and also my preferences changes all the time until I decide what I want.

What you say about density makes sense tho, I can see that.

At the moment I'm really most into a quartersawn neck because I really want a foolproof stable neck. My Fender HM Strat neck actually looks quartersawn, with the lines going all straight, with a couple of exceptions on one side.  And that neck is super good!

My regular maple necks on my main Warmoth guitar and Fender Musicmaster is fine, but even tho the HM Strat is thinner, it feels more rigid.

 

[Ace Flibble]

If you're going for Warmoth's 'pro' construction, there's no difference in stability between flat and quarter-sawn maple. The truss rod they use for those necks is much more heavy duty, far outweighing the differences in wood. It's been four years since I last had to adjust a pro construction neck, and even that was only after a guitar travelled through three time zones. You set them once and they are absolutely rock solid.

If you were going for a headstock shape that could be had with the vintage modern construction then yes, you'd notice more of a difference and I too would isnsist on having quatersawn wood, if maple was what I was going for. The arcade head only comes on pro construction necks, though, so it's pretty moot in this instance.

I have many issues with Warmoth's pro necks—sound, weight, the bloody terrible side adjustment—but stability sure isn't one of them.

 

[Cederick]

Why wouldn't quartersawn + double trussrod = even more stability?

 

[Cagey]

A neck is either stable or it's not. Quartersawn buys you a better chance at stability with an old-fashioned trussrod, while DA trussrods pretty much guarantee it. Maple is a squirrely wood, so I wouldn't chance going without a DA trussrod. Once that's in, you don't need quartersawn. It's like wearing a belt when you're already wearing suspenders.

 

[Strat Avenger]

Quarter-sawn is less likely to warp (twist). Aside from that, it is no stronger than flat-sawn. If you want more warp-resistance from flat-sawn, you can have graphite reinforcement rods installed like I did on my USACG neck (it's quarter-sawn too though).

 

[Cederick]

A neck is either stable or it's not. Quartersawn buys you a better chance at stability with an old-fashioned trussrod, while DA trussrods pretty much guarantee it. Maple is a squirrely wood, so I wouldn't chance going without a DA trussrod. Once that's in, you don't need quartersawn. It's like wearing a belt when you're already wearing suspenders.

Well, it's safer than just belt or just suspenders, so why not  :toothy12:

 

[Cagey]

There's no reason you can't, but you'd be spending money you didn't have to, that's all.