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Quarter sawn Canary neck?

lidesnowi

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Hello  I've been thinking about getting a Fatback Quarter sawn one piece Canary modern vintage neck for my tele!
Anyone have one of these?
How is the tone/resonance compared to a Maple neck? :icon_scratch:


 
 
Most people say that canary is a bit warmer than maple.  Maple itself is a bright and dense neck wood- many people think that qtr saw cuts of this wood are even brighter.  In theory qtr sawn canary might simply be brighter than a flat sawn piece.  I can't be certain, but it stands to reason.  I personally love qtr sawn maple for its quick response, stability, and complex grain patterns.  I'd love to see a nice piece of qtr sawn canary.  It would be well worth taking a chance if this option is available, as qtr sawn wood is gorgeous in my mind. 
 
fdesalvo said:
Most people say that canary is a bit warmer than maple.  Maple itself is a bright and dense neck wood- many people think that qtr saw cuts of this wood are even brighter.  In theory qtr sawn canary might simply be brighter than a flat sawn piece.  I can't be certain, but it stands to reason.  I personally love qtr sawn maple for its quick response, stability, and complex grain patterns.  I'd love to see a nice piece of qtr sawn canary.  It would be well worth taking a chance if this option is available, as qtr sawn wood is gorgeous in my mind. 
That was i was thinking also that qtr sawn canary might  be brighter than a flat sawn piece. 
qtr sawn Maple rules both in tone and looks IMO!
 
 
You're getting me fired up!  I've got a neck on its way haha.  Can't wait!  :eek:ccasion14:
 
From a tone aspect: I went from maple/pao ferro to canary/canary and there was bascially no tonal change.
 
fdesalvo said:
You're getting me fired up!  I've got a neck on its way haha.  Can't wait!   :eek:ccasion14:
So you say it IS possible to get a Quarter Sawn one piece canary neck then  :cool01:
 
why would you want quarter sawn canary? is that a option at all ??
if it was, I am sure there won't be a noticeable difference anyway in tone.

I do like the tone and feel of canary though.. slightly warmer than maple sounds right.
 
fdesalvo said:
Most people say that canary is a bit warmer than maple.  Maple itself is a bright and dense neck wood- many people think that qtr saw cuts of this wood are even brighter.  In theory qtr sawn canary might simply be brighter than a flat sawn piece.  I can't be certain, but it stands to reason.  I personally love qtr sawn maple for its quick response, stability, and complex grain patterns.  I'd love to see a nice piece of qtr sawn canary.  It would be well worth taking a chance if this option is available, as qtr sawn wood is gorgeous in my mind. 

I'm curious where this 'many people' comment comes from.  Quartersawn maple is just flat sawn turned 90 degrees.  Same species of wood.
 
Well according to the Warmoth site:

Tone-o-meter for Canary:
wood_toneometer_7.jpg


Tone-o-meter for Maple:
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I personally don't think I could hear a difference, but then again I don't have a Strat with an all maple neck and the same body wood and pickups lying around to get an accurate comparison. 
 
Wyliee said:
fdesalvo said:
Most people say that canary is a bit warmer than maple.  Maple itself is a bright and dense neck wood- many people think that qtr saw cuts of this wood are even brighter.  In theory qtr sawn canary might simply be brighter than a flat sawn piece.  I can't be certain, but it stands to reason.  I personally love qtr sawn maple for its quick response, stability, and complex grain patterns.  I'd love to see a nice piece of qtr sawn canary.  It would be well worth taking a chance if this option is available, as qtr sawn wood is gorgeous in my mind. 

I'm curious where this 'many people' comment comes from.  Quartersawn maple is just flat sawn turned 90 degrees.  Same species of wood.

Yep, I'm curious as well.
Quartersawn Maple is not some magically piece of wood, it's just Maple that's been cut at a different angle. No difference.

Or perhaps this has something to do with the neck vibrating differently because the string tension goes against the structure of the wood differently? :dontknow:
 
Another completely misleading data point: 

My teles with canary necks sound pretty much the same as my teles with maple/rosewood necks.

They all sound great.

 
Wyliee said:
fdesalvo said:
Most people say that canary is a bit warmer than maple.  Maple itself is a bright and dense neck wood- many people think that qtr saw cuts of this wood are even brighter.  In theory qtr sawn canary might simply be brighter than a flat sawn piece.  I can't be certain, but it stands to reason.  I personally love qtr sawn maple for its quick response, stability, and complex grain patterns.  I'd love to see a nice piece of qtr sawn canary.  It would be well worth taking a chance if this option is available, as qtr sawn wood is gorgeous in my mind. 

I'm curious where this 'many people' comment comes from.  Quartersawn maple is just flat sawn turned 90 degrees.  Same species of wood.

When I was researching which cut of maple I wanted for my neck, the information that is readily and abundantly available on the internet says that qtr sawn maple has a brighter tone.  This is the consensus- I'm sure opinions vary.  Same species, different orientation of the grain.  Who knows..
 
fdesalvo said:
Wyliee said:
fdesalvo said:
Most people say that canary is a bit warmer than maple.  Maple itself is a bright and dense neck wood- many people think that qtr saw cuts of this wood are even brighter.  In theory qtr sawn canary might simply be brighter than a flat sawn piece.  I can't be certain, but it stands to reason.  I personally love qtr sawn maple for its quick response, stability, and complex grain patterns.  I'd love to see a nice piece of qtr sawn canary.  It would be well worth taking a chance if this option is available, as qtr sawn wood is gorgeous in my mind. 

I'm curious where this 'many people' comment comes from.  Quartersawn maple is just flat sawn turned 90 degrees.  Same species of wood.

When I was researching which cut of maple I wanted for my neck, the information that is readily and abundantly available on the internet says that qtr sawn maple has a brighter tone.  This is the consensus- I'm sure opinions vary.  Same species, different orientation of the grain.  Who knows..

Sources please.  And is this anecdotal information?  Heard it from a friend of a friend?

Based on several years on the phones and thousands of customers (along with a good portion of QC work), I have not found quartersawn maple to be brighter than flatsawn.  Totally up to you what you want, but that's my first hand experience.
 
I googled.  Results were various forums.  Nothing conclusive, just general opinion.  Like I said, opinions vary. No one is going to produce solid, quantifiable evidence stating one thing or the other from what I've seen.  If your experience tells you it's no different than flat sawn in tone, then I'd consider that you've been in the industry for quite some time and agree.  It's just that "some people" have had different results.  To that end, it could well be the difference in the wood itself rather than the cut.  I'm an open-minded guy, so I appreciate hearing different points of view.

Wyliee said:
fdesalvo said:
Wyliee said:
fdesalvo said:
Most people say that canary is a bit warmer than maple.  Maple itself is a bright and dense neck wood- many people think that qtr saw cuts of this wood are even brighter.  In theory qtr sawn canary might simply be brighter than a flat sawn piece.  I can't be certain, but it stands to reason.  I personally love qtr sawn maple for its quick response, stability, and complex grain patterns.  I'd love to see a nice piece of qtr sawn canary.  It would be well worth taking a chance if this option is available, as qtr sawn wood is gorgeous in my mind. 

I'm curious where this 'many people' comment comes from.  Quartersawn maple is just flat sawn turned 90 degrees.  Same species of wood.



When I was researching which cut of maple I wanted for my neck, the information that is readily and abundantly available on the internet says that qtr sawn maple has a brighter tone.  This is the consensus- I'm sure opinions vary.  Same species, different orientation of the grain.  Who knows..

Sources please.  And is this anecdotal information?  Heard it from a friend of a friend?

Based on several years on the phones and thousands of customers (along with a good portion of QC work), I have not found quartersawn maple to be brighter than flatsawn.  Totally up to you what you want, but that's my first hand experience.
 
I suspect that IF you're using Warmoth's double truss rod, it'll take "wood stiffness" out of the equation pretty much entirely. I mean, THE NECK DON'T FLEX ANYMORE. You've seen the cool-guy imitation whammy thing where guitar player reaches right hand over and wiggles headstock? IT DON'T HARDLY WORK on a Warmoth double-trussed, fellow. :eek: Single truss, well... the contrary argument (isn't there always one?) is that flat-sawn necks sound "better" because they're springier and more alive, somehow. Practicing 14 hours a day might help some here, huh. :icon_scratch:
 
ozzie pete posted this in a thread about "scientific tone testing."

http://www.youtube.com/v/QSbjCfK5Iq8

check out the tap test on brazilian rosewood at 1:42

pretty convincing that direction makes some difference, maybe not alot, on one hand the string vibrates as far as i can tell in an oblong pattern, it doesn't just move up and down or side to side so i'll bet there is some combination of different harmonics going through it, maybe one or the other is dominant depending on direction, i dont know. i'm not opposed to the idea but IMO the difference will be small. and i certainly wont argue that there is no difference
 
Dan025 said:
ozzie pete posted this in a thread about "scientific tone testing."

http://www.youtube.com/v/QSbjCfK5Iq8

check out the tap test on brazilian rosewood at 1:42

pretty convincing that direction makes some difference, maybe not alot, on one hand the string vibrates as far as i can tell in an oblong pattern, it doesn't just move up and down or side to side so i'll bet there is some combination of different harmonics going through it, maybe one or the other is dominant depending on direction, i dont know. i'm not opposed to the idea but IMO the difference will be small. and i certainly wont argue that there is no difference
Well i am not a fan of his guitar designs but Paul Reed Smith knows a hell of lot about the resonance properties of wood!
 
line6man said:
Wyliee said:
fdesalvo said:
Most people say that canary is a bit warmer than maple.  Maple itself is a bright and dense neck wood- many people think that qtr saw cuts of this wood are even brighter.  In theory qtr sawn canary might simply be brighter than a flat sawn piece.  I can't be certain, but it stands to reason.  I personally love qtr sawn maple for its quick response, stability, and complex grain patterns.  I'd love to see a nice piece of qtr sawn canary.  It would be well worth taking a chance if this option is available, as qtr sawn wood is gorgeous in my mind. 

I'm curious where this 'many people' comment comes from.  Quartersawn maple is just flat sawn turned 90 degrees.  Same species of wood.

Yep, I'm curious as well.
Quartersawn Maple is not some magically piece of wood, it's just Maple that's been cut at a different angle. No difference.

Or perhaps this has something to do with the neck vibrating differently because the string tension goes against the structure of the wood differently? :dontknow:

I see that this is an old thread but I just had to comment. As I 've learned more and more about guitar construction and wood I've come to understand that there is a lot of difference not only between different wood species but also in the same specie.

As quartersawn is a different method of extracting a plank from a tree you get a greater number of grain lines and thus a denser wood which would suggest a difference in tone. Check out this link http://www.frudua.com/quarter_cut_vs_slab_cut.htm

Or read Ibanez/Dimarzio sponsored player Magnus Ohlsons opinion about how the same pickup sound different i two guitars of the exact same specs, and he has a hell of a lot of guitars...

That said I'm sure there are flat sawn maple necks that are bright as ...  and quarter sawn necks that are light and soft with slow attack.

Cheers!
 
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