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warcripp

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I am familiar to how alder and ash sounds but where does poplar fall into the mix? I play blues rock stuff tele body.
 
warcripp said:
I am familiar to how alder and ash sounds but where does poplar fall into the mix? I play blues rock stuff tele body.

Hello :)  :icon_thumright:

Can't really say I've had too much experience with popular but the guitars I've played made out of it have sounded great, can't be certain it was the wood in itself though. In my opinion it's impossible to compare woods as there is no general characteristic that applies to a species. I think I remember it being lighter then Alder but again I can't remember it was many years ago.
 
I would say poplar "tastes like chicken alder".

I don't know, maybe someone will say it's a little less resonant or something, but my experience leads me to wonder if I could tell them apart - even acoustically/unplugged.
 
drewfx said:
I would say poplar "tastes like chicken alder".

I don't know, maybe someone will say it's a little less resonant or something, but my experience leads me to wonder if I could tell them apart - even acoustically/unplugged.

I'm with this guy. I just built myself a poplar bodied guitar and it sounds pretty much just like my alder bodied guitar.
 
sounds the same...poplar is VERY soft.  I would stick to alder if I had a choice.
 
DMRACO said:
sounds the same...poplar is VERY soft.  I would stick to alder if I had a choice.

Right. Poplar is technically a hardwood, but it's not very hard. Oddly enough, Balsa is technically a hardwood, too. I don't think anybody would call that "hard" <grin>
 
Cagey said:
DMRACO said:
sounds the same...poplar is VERY soft.  I would stick to alder if I had a choice.

Right. Poplar is technically a hardwood, but it's not very hard. Oddly enough, Balsa is technically a hardwood, too. I don't think anybody would call that "hard" <grin>

could paint it Viagra blue. :laughing11:
 
:rock-on: poplar has a very thin woody sound if you know what i mean. its kind of like a poppy sound. its sustain isnt very great..
 
In my experience there is practically no difference, but then the density, and therefore tone, of wood varies even depending on where it came from in the tree.. I'm building a detachable twin neck guitar in poplar right now and the wood is spalted, therefore lighter than standard poplar, my advice is never to generalise you really need to hold each chunk of wood, tap it and get to know it before deciding.. if you're interested the twin neck is in my workshop diary here http://crimsonguitars.com/workshop-diary/270212
 
That's a helluva project you've got going there. I don't believe I've ever seen spalted Poplar before. It's an interesting effect, perhaps more so than spalted Maple.
 
I use a 22" x 15" x 1.75" sized body blank for one of my 5-string bass models that's available in Poplar or Alder. I consistently find that the Poplar blank is just under 4 ounces heavier than the Alder blank. Both have a very similar tap tone ring

even here in the PacNW where Alder is somewhat of a weed tree, rough 8/4 Poplar lumber is roughly half the cost of Alder - BUT - I can consistently find clear Poplar without cosmetic imperfections (if you ignore the color stains), but the same cannot be said for Alder. in fact, finding Alder in sizes large enough to make a 2-piece body can be challenging at times due to the wood having so many knots. it's significantly more difficult to find what I classify as 'clear finish grade' (Alder that is cosmetic imperfection free and usable for clear and burst finishes) without also have a significantly low yield from each piece of lumber. this leaves me with a clear finish Alder blank costing me about 3x what a similar Poplar blank costs - too bad Poplar isn't usable for clear finishes :(

all the best,

R
 
DMRACO said:
sounds the same...poplar is VERY soft.  I would stick to alder if I had a choice.

I agree with this. I've built guitars with both and the main difference I find is in finishing and durability.
 
SkuttleFunk said:
I use a 22" x 15" x 1.75" sized body blank for one of my 5-string bass models that's available in Poplar or Alder. I consistently find that the Poplar blank is just under 4 ounces heavier than the Alder blank. Both have a very similar tap tone ring

This difference in weight reflects what Warmoth says as well, and this is reassuring to me since I'm picking Poplar for that very reason over an Alder body for my next project. I want a piece of wood on the heavier side but I don't want to pay a $40 upcharge to Warmoth to specify a heavier piece, and it's going under a solid finish so Poplar it is.
 
I love your work!  :headbang:

Crimson Guitars said:
In my experience there is practically no difference, but then the density, and therefore tone, of wood varies even depending on where it came from in the tree.. I'm building a detachable twin neck guitar in poplar right now and the wood is spalted, therefore lighter than standard poplar, my advice is never to generalise you really need to hold each chunk of wood, tap it and get to know it before deciding.. if you're interested the twin neck is in my workshop diary here http://crimsonguitars.com/workshop-diary/270212
 
Crimson Guitars said:
In my experience there is practically no difference, but then the density, and therefore tone, of wood varies even depending on where it came from in the tree.. I'm building a detachable twin neck guitar in poplar right now and the wood is spalted, therefore lighter than standard poplar, my advice is never to generalise you really need to hold each chunk of wood, tap it and get to know it before deciding.. if you're interested the twin neck is in my workshop diary here http://crimsonguitars.com/workshop-diary/270212

Wow, that's one of the most interesting projects I've seen in a while. And I agree, wood is like people- each is individually different, even if the characteristics are the same.
 
For a while, Fender used poplar in the USA made instruments that had opaque finishes.  This was in the 70's.  Not the best of the best instruments they ever made, but Fender used poplar when alder wasn't able to be had.
 
Crimson Guitars said:
In my experience there is practically no difference, but then the density, and therefore tone, of wood varies even depending on where it came from in the tree.. I'm building a detachable twin neck guitar in poplar right now and the wood is spalted, therefore lighter than standard poplar, my advice is never to generalise you really need to hold each chunk of wood, tap it and get to know it before deciding.. if you're interested the twin neck is in my workshop diary here http://crimsonguitars.com/workshop-diary/270212
Love your work!
 
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