Plop, plop, fizz, fizz, oh what a relief it...isn't.

[Jumble Jumble]

Oh yeah, I love choosing my own pedals and getting the exact sounds I want. But I also love the convenience of being able to hit one footswitch and toggle three or four effects in one go. This is my constant struggle. For a simple digital delay, of course a multi-fx box is going to do what I want (and probably way more). But for overdrive and distortion they're often one-trick ponies (it's up to you if you like that trick), and for modulation, it's hit and miss as to whether you'll get what you want.

Of course, were I a millionaire, I would simply get some kind of MIDI setup. Store the patches, then when you switch to one, it simply loops in whichever pedals should be used on that patch. Gilmour had a great one on the 1994 Pulse tour. All these knackered-looking old modded pedals on top of his rack, and a nice big MIDI footswitch controller thingy with the name of the song etc on it on the floor in front of him.

As for expensive modelers falling short - like I say, I'll do some clips. I have a friend who has a little studio with several nice amps (and some very nice ones) and decent mics, and I can probably get my hands on a Kemper. It won't be for a month or so though.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

Oh yeah, I love choosing my own pedals and getting the exact sounds I want. But I also love the convenience of being able to hit one footswitch and toggle three or four effects in one go. This is my constant struggle. For a simple digital delay, of course a multi-fx box is going to do what I want (and probably way more). But for overdrive and distortion they're often one-trick ponies (it's up to you if you like that trick), and for modulation, it's hit and miss as to whether you'll get what you want.

Of course, were I a millionaire, I would simply get some kind of MIDI setup. Store the patches, then when you switch to one, it simply loops in whichever pedals should be used on that patch. Gilmour had a great one on the 1994 Pulse tour. All these knackered-looking old modded pedals on top of his rack, and a nice big MIDI footswitch controller thingy with the name of the song etc on it on the floor in front of him.

As for expensive modelers falling short - like I say, I'll do some clips. I have a friend who has a little studio with several nice amps (and some very nice ones) and decent mics, and I can probably get my hands on a Kemper. It won't be for a month or so though.

Eh, I'm old-school.  I really just have no interest in digital stuff.  I'll look at it, or even play with it in a store if it's hooked up, but I'm not going to be gassing for it when I leave.  I really just think stuff like Pro Tools and other digital recording devices are garbage.  The sound is sterile.  It's just too perfect and it just sounds processed.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

Cool, so you'll easily be able to tell the difference.

 

[SustainerPlayer]

I get a SuperSauroPODTubeLizard flashback. And no - that's no pedal.

 

[mayfly]

Be nice - he just wants his head working again.

 

[SustainerPlayer]

:laughing7:

 

[Patrick from Davis]

I get a SuperSauroPODTubeLizard flashback. And no - that's no pedal.

I always loved that he used a tube screamer before his head, that would be a solidstate pre then right?  Nevermind...  I am not one for modeling amps because I like to adjust the knobs and go.  Menus and so on make me frustrated, and that is generally not a great thing in a band situation.  I have sort of fallen in love with the old Magnatones, one vol one tone setup.  I do like protools, don't get me wrong, anyone can get it to sound terrible, but I think the what is before the DAW is more important.  Like Trevors Neve clone mic pre's, and some good mic's.  I saw you ordered some capsules Trevor, you'll have to let us know how that goes.  I am waiting on Chungers full kits, and then a c12/ela m251 will be mine.  But here I go rambling again...

As far as the amp head, I dunno.  I would be pissed off.  Really pissed off.  Very quiet and intense pissed off.
Patrick

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

Be nice - he just wants his head working again.

Exactly, and the last two threads I've actually started have been hijacked by the same person.  It's really getting annoying.  I seriously couldn't give a squirt of crap about modeling effects...seriously.  If I was concerned about modeling effects, I probably would have started a thread on the matter.  It'd be nice if besides closing or locking our own threads, we could delete off-topic posts, too.  Maybe I"ll send a suggestion to a moderator.

I really don't mean to come off as being a jerk, but really, the last thread I started was about tubes, which somehow found its way into a ridiculous "USA vs. the World" thread, which I deleted.  Now, I find myself in the same position, once again, ready to delete a thread that has gone off the track.  If this thread was in the Off-Topic section, I really wouldn't care.

 

[Patrick from Davis]

Out of curiosity, what model head was it?  I can't help it, I love opening the things up.  I went so far as to get a hakko 808 to let me mess with the insides.  I was just wondering, it might not be too much to get the thing back up and going, but I could be way wrong.
Patrick

 

[mayfly]

I think he's already sent it on back to Peavey.  They'll make it right.  Peavey tends to stand behind their stuff.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

Out of curiosity, what model head was it?  I can't help it, I love opening the things up.  I went so far as to get a hakko 808 to let me mess with the insides.  I was just wondering, it might not be too much to get the thing back up and going, but I could be way wrong.
Patrick

Patrick, it's a Peavey 3120.  I brought it to the store yesterday and the guy at the store said he thought it was the tubes.  He said before he sent it back to Peavey, he was going to try putting some tubes in it.  Hopefully, that's all it is.  If not, I guess I'll have a nice repair bill from Peavey.

 

[mayfly]

Sadly, if it was run without a load for a significant period of time, it's the output transformer.  Without a load what happens is voltage spikes appear on the secondary which are high enough to break down the insulation in the windings.  That's why running it like that can be OK for a short while, but over time it will kill the amp.  Unless there is protection built into the amp, it means a new output transformer.

Funny though - Peavey knows their stuff.  They should have some kind of protection designed in.  But - the factory will figure it out in no time.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

Sadly, if it was run without a load for a significant period of time, it's the output transformer.  Without a load what happens is voltage spikes appear on the secondary which are high enough to break down the insulation in the windings.  That's why running it like that can be OK for a short while, but over time it will kill the amp.  Unless there is protection built into the amp, it means a new output transformer.

Funny though - Peavey knows their stuff.  They should have some kind of protection designed in.  But - the factory will figure it out in no time.

I wouldn't get ANY sound if it was the output transformer, would I?

 

[mayfly]

Not necessarily.  If only some of the windings are shorted, signal will still pass.  But it would be quiet and distorted.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Be nice - he just wants his head working again.

Exactly, and the last two threads I've actually started have been hijacked by the same person.  It's really getting annoying.  I seriously couldn't give a squirt of crap about modeling effects...seriously.  If I was concerned about modeling effects, I probably would have started a thread on the matter.  It'd be nice if besides closing or locking our own threads, we could delete off-topic posts, too.  Maybe I"ll send a suggestion to a moderator.

I really don't mean to come off as being a jerk, but really, the last thread I started was about tubes, which somehow found its way into a ridiculous "USA vs. the World" thread, which I deleted.  Now, I find myself in the same position, once again, ready to delete a thread that has gone off the track.  If this thread was in the Off-Topic section, I really wouldn't care.

If I may interject without being a jerk, the tubes thread was a USA against the world from the getgo. 

I'm not very familiar with your tube amp history, as many members and threads do run together in my mind, but your current tube amp, I thought was one of your first.  That hardly qualifies as years.  Again, forgive me if I mis-remember.

Modeling is not what it used to be.  I don't find myself leaning towards modeling technology either...yet.  However, the under $200 Line6 things should not be the standard by which all modelers are judged, much the same way tube technology shouldn't be clouded if your only experience with tube amps was an entry level one.  If your opinion of modeling is based on that, it misses the mark.  Not to drag Mayfly into this, but a guy that is familiar with every transformer type and tube variety and even had a small business building and selling boutique tube amps, now uses an AxeFX, that speaks volumes.  Don't run out and buy one, and that's not what he would say, but apparently it's good enough for someone who knows what the real thing sounds like.

I find it ironic too that the very thing that may have wrecked your power section was very similar to modeling.  Running the preamp section of an amp into a board negating the mic'd power section (speakers).

 

[Jumble Jumble]

I apologise and promise not to respond to anything but the main point in future threads. I hope that this forum can now go back to the strict staying-on-topic it is famous for.

[Seriously though - sorry, my bad]

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

Be nice - he just wants his head working again.

Exactly, and the last two threads I've actually started have been hijacked by the same person.  It's really getting annoying.  I seriously couldn't give a squirt of crap about modeling effects...seriously.  If I was concerned about modeling effects, I probably would have started a thread on the matter.  It'd be nice if besides closing or locking our own threads, we could delete off-topic posts, too.  Maybe I"ll send a suggestion to a moderator.

I really don't mean to come off as being a jerk, but really, the last thread I started was about tubes, which somehow found its way into a ridiculous "USA vs. the World" thread, which I deleted.  Now, I find myself in the same position, once again, ready to delete a thread that has gone off the track.  If this thread was in the Off-Topic section, I really wouldn't care.

If I may interject without being a jerk, the tubes thread was a USA against the world from the getgo. 

I'm not very familiar with your tube amp history, as many members and threads do run together in my mind, but your current tube amp, I thought was one of your first.  That hardly qualifies as years.  Again, forgive me if I mis-remember.

Modeling is not what it used to be.  I don't find myself leaning towards modeling technology either...yet.  However, the under $200 Line6 things should not be the standard by which all modelers are judged, much the same way tube technology shouldn't be clouded if your only experience with tube amps was an entry level one.  If your opinion of modeling is based on that, it misses the mark.  Not to drag Mayfly into this, but a guy that is familiar with every transformer type and tube variety and even had a small business building and selling boutique tube amps, now uses an AxeFX, that speaks volumes.  Don't run out and buy one, and that's not what he would say, but apparently it's good enough for someone who knows what the real thing sounds like.

I find it ironic too that the very thing that may have wrecked your power section was very similar to modeling.  Running the preamp section of an amp into a board negating the mic'd power section (speakers).

No, it was NOT a "USA vs the world" thread, I simply asked where I could get tubes that were made in the USA.  Liike I said, if the thread was in the Off Topic section I wouldn't care, but when I'm looking for information, I prefer to discuss what I started the thread for.  Is thst so out of line?

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

That thread was deleted, so we can't revisit posts.  But you did get some good tube recommendations, and you express disgust at Chinese tubes. 

FWIW, I don't think that thread got out of hand.  If it did, there was plenty of back and forth with your posts as well.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

That thread was deleted, so we can't revisit posts.  But you did get some good tube recommendations, and you express disgust at Chinese tubes. 

FWIW, I don't think that thread got out of hand.  If it did, there was plenty of back and forth with your posts as well.

No, I simply mentioned why I preferred American-made products over Cbinese-made products after being confronted with my reasoning for my preference,  No, the thread did not get "out of hand," it simply strayed way off target. 

I did get good recommendations, and I take them all into consideration.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

I'd just like to point out that accusing me of hijacking this thread is pretty crazy. Go back and read it; I did the post about the other "pieces of junk", then another post saying what I'd do as a way forward from here with the other guy. On that second post, I put an aside in square brackets at the end, about the fact that if he wanted to go straight into the desk then he'd be better off with a modeller - the reason for that being that if he'd profiled Daze's amp the damage wouldn't have occurred.

Daze then picked up on that last comment and responded to it. I responded in kind, and so on. I thought we were just having a friendly conversation, with the original purpose of the thread achieved. It turns out I "hijacked" the thread - presumably what I was meant to do was just not respond to anything off-topic from the original post, even if said off-topic material was posted by the original poster. I will bear this in mind.