peavey vypyr warning

[JimBeed]

Well when i started out i had a peavey starter kit, and the mini 10 watt amp from that my mum still uses today,
about 5/6 years on, for when she needs to put her electro acoustic through an amp.
So thats held up well it seems

 

[Paul-less]

Is it a tone sucking issue? Or a sucking tone issue?  :toothy12:

Seriously, I think that digital modelling in general sounds great at first, but as you use it you start to hear the gaps that a micro processor just can't fill.

I look at it the same as those little swirly lightbulbs that people raved about for a year. It looks fudging awesome, and it's good for the environment. What's to hate? OH YEAH, it produces an odd looking light, and it isn't as bright. We had those in our house, but we actually tossed them before they went bad, simply because they suck.

I honestly think that the amp guru's should be looking at ways to make solid state sound better, not just digitalizing everything. I understand the desire to have a Mesa, Bogner, Marshal, Diezel, and 50+ other amps all in one is hard to avoid, but I would rather have one great sounding amp that 50+ "ehh" sounding amps.

 

[stubhead]

"Great" is always so subjective.... In a band context where a guitarist is supposed to be capable of playing musical sounding chords behind other band members, there have been some great-sounding guitarists and songs using amps like the Roland Jazz Chorus 120 or a Fender Twin Reverb turned down so low there's no overdrive to speak of.  When I listen to Hendrix's "Cry of Love" or old Zeppelin or Stones or Beatles, it's astonishing how clean most of the guitar parts really are. A big reason the solos stand out is because they're the only overdriven things on there....  I have always maintained that you're not actually a musician if you have to have "your sound", and your sound only, to be able to play anything. If you can't play a guitar plugged into a dead-clean amp with no compressor, wah, or overdrive and make something musical happen with note choices alone, you need to stop the shred and slow down and learn something.

I personally feel Hendrix's last work was his best. The Songs on "Cry of Love" got mish-mashed together with "Rainbow Bridge" and some others to pad it out to a CD length, but if you listen to "Angel", "Night Bird Flying" and "Drifting", that's a dead-clean Twin Reverb there. When Steve Morse or Eric Johnson fingerpick an electric, there's no faked up piezo-pickup "acoustic" nonsense, it's just a serious musician who knows how to play a whole lot more than just screams. And, I also like to plug three fuzztones together.... :headbang1:

 

[Jusatele]

"Great" is always so subjective.... In a band context where a guitarist is supposed to be capable of playing musical sounding chords behind other band members, there have been some great-sounding guitarists and songs using amps like the Roland Jazz Chorus 120 or a Fender Twin Reverb turned down so low there's no overdrive to speak of.  When I listen to Hendrix's "Cry of Love" or old Zeppelin or Stones or Beatles, it's astonishing how clean most of the guitar parts really are. A big reason the solos stand out is because they're the only overdriven things on there....  I have always maintained that you're not actually a musician if you have to have "your sound", and your sound only, to be able to play anything. If you can't play a guitar plugged into a dead-clean amp with no compressor, wah, or overdrive and make something musical happen with note choices alone, you need to stop the shred and slow down and learn something.

I personally feel Hendrix's last work was his best. The Songs on "Cry of Love" got mish-mashed together with "Rainbow Bridge" and some others to pad it out to a CD length, but if you listen to "Angel", "Night Bird Flying" and "Drifting", that's a dead-clean Twin Reverb there. When Steve Morse or Eric Johnson fingerpick an electric, there's no faked up piezo-pickup "acoustic" nonsense, it's just a serious musician who knows how to play a whole lot more than just screams. And, I also like to plug three fuzztones together.... :headbang1:

Jimi is my biggest influence, I love his music and think if he had not died would have lead us into a new arena of music, He was experimenting with so much at the end. Songs such as you mentioned are of his greatest work,and the clean tones are part of that. Like so many guitarist that we all love and rave about, Jimi was a rhythm guitarist first, and a soloist second. Eddy, Gary, and the list goes on of guitarist that we all love are as such, they may be able to wail but the clean sound they put down as backing tracks are what gets you into a song.
Effects are for soloist, a guitarist knows his instrument and has a vocabulary of chords that most only dream of.
I have 2 workshops I like to go to , one s a Jazz thing put n about 10 times a year by the teacher at the local college, it is for advanced players and we all get a workout that is the kind of stuff that keeps you interestedin playing new music.
the other is a jam session a couple of us host for guitarist that want to have a place to practice soloing techniques, we set up a groove on a loop and we each take a couple of runs at it developing ideas, the thing that gets me is how many guys wanting to learn to solo know very little more than E and A based Barre chords. When you ask them to play a major 7th they are stumped, much less a Add a 9th or a Diminshed chord.
The entire base of a song is the chordal development going on, yet so many guys want to forgo studying that and try to solo over chords they cannot play.
and when they get frustrated and start to make mistake,, out comes the distortion level, it goes up.  I personally practice through a Epiphone Bass amp so I can CLEARLY hear everything, I feel f t does not sound good clean, it will never sound good dirty, it will just be loud.

 

[labguitar1003]

Is it a tone sucking issue? Or a sucking tone issue?  :toothy12:

Seriously, I think that digital modelling in general sounds great at first, but as you use it you start to hear the gaps that a micro processor just can't fill.

its a little bit of both, the tone was ok to start with but now its just horendous, and as a guitarist i was looking to move up with power in my amps from my little peavey backstage, this was on sale and i snatched it up being strapped for cash, but i totally agree on the whole ss amp thing, i even think that like guitars they get better as they age so ss amps built in the 80s surpass the ones built now, i just wish marshall would go back and do a release of the old lead line with mosfet mods, cause those amps are probably the best sounding ss amps ive ever heard.

 

[Jusatele]

I have this soft spot for old Sunn amps, I do not know why but I love to crank them and wail through them. I think they get better with age.
I have never owned a Marshall myself but it seems most guys I play with have one or two and swear by them, I am more of a Vox or Blackface guy myself.
Some of the notable amps Ilove have been Fender Bassmans that were run for guitar.
I guess we all have a different ear.

 

[Paul-less]

I have this soft spot for old Sunn amps, I do not know why but I love to crank them and wail through them. I think they get better with age.
I have never owned a Marshall myself but it seems most guys I play with have one or two and swear by them, I am more of a Vox or Blackface guy myself.
Some of the notable amps Ilove have been Fender Bassmans that were run for guitar.
I guess we all have a different ear.

A soft spot? Like in your head?  :icon_biggrin:

I've never had a chance to play with one, but one of the great local guitarists in the area will gig with it occasionally.

 

[labguitar1003]

so i have another question, what happens when you hook an 8 ohm head to a 3 ohm speaker.  cause thats how my amp is set up.

 

[AutoBat]

so i have another question, what happens when you hook an 8 ohm head to a 3 ohm speaker.  cause thats how my amp is set up.

Then your amp should last you a long time.

Think of your head as the carry capability, and the speaker as the weight.
rephrase what you said as "what happens when you hook an 8 pound carrying amp to a 3 pound speaker?"

there may be some inaccuracies to what I just said, but for the most part, that's way better than the reverse situation.

 

[labguitar1003]

i just thought it was wierd to have a 3 ohm speaker instead 4 or 8 ohm

 

[Superlizard]

...I would rather have one great sounding amp that 50+ "ehh" sounding amps.

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Preach it, bruddah.