Black Sabbath Back to the Beginning

[rockandroller]

Twenty BUX? that's not even Pizza Money!
I'm in for sure, the very first rock show I ever Attended in person was Sabbath at the SeattleCentre Arena, for their Technical Ecstacy tour.

(On my birthday yet, and the next day I was gifted a new-to-me tube amp from a Seattle music store... Good Times)

 

[Wizard of Wailing]

Now I’m really thinking about the Dio / Ozzy thing and I think I do prefer Ozzy Sabbath but I like the sound of the Dio era so much more that it makes me temporarily forget how awesome Sabotage is.

 

[ThisIsHuhWow404]

You know, that song is actually about skin heads. I researched it once out of curiosity but can't remember the whole story.

I read it was about hippies. I’m not sure if skinheads really existed in 1970, and if they did I’m pretty sure they were still the working class white guys who liked reggae and weren’t co-opted by Neo-Nazis yet.

 

[Hodgo]

I guess I’m thinking more of rock and roll or anything loud. I’ve been working on The Duke by Tommy Emmanuel for a long time now. I’m terrible at finger picking.

To be fair, I was a teenager in the 2000s. I’m grateful to have seen Rush on every tour between Snakes and Ladders and R40, the Stones on the Bigger Bang Tour, Van Halen with DLR and Wolfgang. They all stand out to me as great shows.

I also saw Poison, Dokken, and Skid Row in 2008 and was greatly let down… still pros, but not really with the energy their music requires.

At the same time I was going to twilight shows of legends, I was really into the hardcore scene in the Northeast, I loved the pits, but I’m too old to be doing that anymore

But I did recently catch Gojira, those guys are in their 40s and it was one of the greatest shows of my life.

I’ve also accidentally found myself at a Beach Boys concert three times and left early every time.

 

[Hagwood]

I read it was about hippies. I’m not sure if skinheads really existed in 1970, and if they did I’m pretty sure they were still the working class white guys who liked reggae and weren’t co-opted by Neo-Nazis yet.

• • Skinhead Attack:
    According to some accounts, the song's lyrics came about after a concert where Black Sabbath was attacked by a group of skinheads, who were wearing boots. The band members, who were known for having long hair, were called "fairies" by the skinheads. This incident led to the creation of the song, with the "fairies" being a derogatory term for the band members and the "boots" referring to the footwear of the skinheads.

The term "skinhead" refers to a person associated with a subculture that originated in the United Kingdom in the late 1960s.

 

[Hagwood]

I’ve also accidentally found myself at a Beach Boys concert three times and left early every time.

LMAO !

 

[Hagwood]

Man, I would’ve missed out on some great shows if I followed that rule

I totally agree. As a teenager in the 70’s I saw about every big classic rock band at least once. And I make it a point to go see any of these old over 40 guys still around whenever I can. They won’t be around much longer, and many sound better today than they did back then. A few recent ones that come to mind are The Eagles; Joe Walsh; Scorpions; Def Leppard; Kansas (albeit without Steve Walsh who’s voice is shot, but Ronnie Platt is amazing); Foreigner (also without Lou Gramm but Kelly Hansen is great); and Styx with the immortal Tommy Shaw. Also David Gilmour - Live in Gdansk is one of the best live performances I’ve ever seen, and he was 60.

 

[stratamania]

I read it was about hippies. I’m not sure if skinheads really existed in 1970, and if they did I’m pretty sure they were still the working class white guys who liked reggae and weren’t co-opted by Neo-Nazis yet.

They definitely did. They tended to wear in the UK lace up Dr Marten boots, jeans were worn short to show off the boots, and often overcoats.

Beyond that, forum rules disallow the discussion of politics.

 

[Wizard of Wailing]

I totally agree. As a teenager in the 70’s I saw about every big classic rock band at least once. And I make it a point to go see any of these old over 40 guys still around whenever I can. They won’t be around much longer, and many sound better today than they did back then. A few recent ones that come to mind are The Eagles; Joe Walsh; Scorpions; Def Leppard; Kansas (albeit without Steve Walsh who’s voice is shot, but Ronnie Platt is amazing); Foreigner (also without Lou Gramm but Kelly Hansen is great); and Styx with the immortal Tommy Shaw. Also David Gilmour - Live in Gdansk is one of the best live performances I’ve ever seen, and he was 60.

The whole Ship of Theseus thing is another thing I consider about seeing a band. I think “KISS” will be touring after Paul and Gene are gone. Lip-syncing and backing tracks have become more mainstream and accepted by many . Everyone has their own standards of course. Mine are more rigid than most.
Also, although I like the Ozzy period more I like Iommi’s solos best on Mob Rules and Heaven & Hell. Sometimes they’re sloppy in a very good way.

 

[Hodgo]

The whole Ship of Theseus thing is another thing I consider about seeing a band. I think “KISS” will be touring after Paul and Gene are gone. Lip-syncing and backing tracks that have become more mainstream. Everyone has their own standards of course. Mine are more rigid than most.
Also, although I like the Ozzy period more I like Iommi’s solos best on Mob Rules and Heaven & Hell. Sometimes they’re sloppy in a very good way.

I’ve seen KISS several times - I swear they were al “going away” tours!

I know they’re not the peak of artistic merit but look, when Gene plays the thunder god bass solo, flys into the rafters and they go right into “I Love it Loud”, I’m usually more than a few Coors deep and out of my seat with enthusiasm

 

[Hagwood]

I’ve seen KISS several times - I swear they were al “going away” tours!

I know they’re not the peak of artistic merit but look, when Gene plays the thunder god bass solo, flys into the rafters and they go right into “I Love it Loud”, I’m usually more than a few Coors deep and out of my seat with enthusiasm

I was a huge KISS fan when I was like 14-17, and saw them numerous times, including many of those 'Farewell tours'. Artistic Merit aside, nobody gives everything they have at a show like Paul Stanley does ......

And it's weird that I went from Kiss to RUSH in a few years - talk about polar opposite as far a artistic merit. Saw RUSH too many times to count, and was in awe every time watching what all Geddy does live. He has to be the most talented musician of all time.......