None Fine Tuner Floyd Rose Public Body #1

[stratamania]

Looks like a good one. Are you going to put a tint in the finish or leave it clear?

I am wondering whether to use a little bit of a tint under the tru-oil for the neck. Probably just enough to accentuate the grain.

 

[rgand]

Probably just enough to accentuate the grain.

That sounds like a good way to go.

 

[bagman67]

Looks like a good one. Are you going to put a tint in the finish or leave it clear?

I am wondering whether to use a little bit of a tint under the tru-oil for the neck. Probably just enough to accentuate the grain.

Shellac is your friend here.  Dewaxed amber shellac applied in thin coats to build up to the shade you want will also serve as an excellent sealer before you apply the Tru-oil. 


But note that Tru-oil will yellow up very nicely on its own.  This is after a couple months, and it went on much lighter.  I don't have any other photos, but by the time I sold the neck several years later it was a nice pale amber color:

 

[stratamania]

Shellac is your friend here.  Dewaxed amber shellac applied in thin coats to build up to the shade you want will also serve as an excellent sealer before you apply the Tru-oil. 


But note that Tru-oil will yellow up very nicely on its own.  This is after a couple months, and it went on much lighter.  I don't have any other photos, but by the time I sold the neck several years later it was a nice pale amber color:

Thanks. I do have at least one neck where it has yellowed over time. Some others not quite so much.  Good tip on the shellac.

 

[stratamania]

The build thread for this one...

None Fine Tuner Floyd Rose Build

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

That doesn't look right.  Too much room left behind the rear screws.  Looks like the Schaller Floyd rout, actually.

... It could be that the bridge has all the saddles in a straight line out of the box and once the low E is intonated it would take up a fair bit of that room but the recess does seem a little long in the photo due to that...

I imagine it will be perfect. As stated, when you start to account for intonation, the screws can protrude pretty far back:

I would imagine that once you have the intonation set, you can swap out the bridge clamp bolts for shorter ones.

 

[stratamania]

That doesn't look right.  Too much room left behind the rear screws.  Looks like the Schaller Floyd rout, actually.

... It could be that the bridge has all the saddles in a straight line out of the box and once the low E is intonated it would take up a fair bit of that room but the recess does seem a little long in the photo due to that...

I imagine it will be perfect. As stated, when you start to account for intonation, the screws can protrude pretty far back:

I would imagine that once you have the intonation set, you can swap out the bridge clamp bolts for shorter ones.

Shorter bolts would leave more space.

 

[LushTone]

Glad the rout is accommodating to scale conversion, my loosely based GG tribute will be 24-3/4".

 

[stratamania]

Glad the rout is accommodating to scale conversion, my loosely based GG tribute will be 24-3/4".

Yes it should work fine with a conversion neck.

A better thread is this one for NFT following some updates to the rout.

Metallic Black Cherry Floyd Rose Non-Fine Tuner

 

[LushTone]

That’s a nice finish on that NFT build, great color scheme too . I’m also thinking of upgrading the block to the fat brass block

 

[stratamania]

That’s a nice finish on that NFT build, great color scheme too . I’m also thinking of upgrading the block to the fat brass block

Thanks. I think it is worth doing the brass block but by no means essential. Though I do think the upgrade to the Red Bishop arm is also worth considering. They also sell a useful tool for helping to intonate the saddles.

 

[LushTone]

Wow that looks like a tool that actually works, I've tried using the "key" for floyds and it rarely fit properly. I just abandoned the key for what I've always done with floyds, which is the tedious back & forth of loosening the individual strings, and making micro shifts of the saddle (usually by pushing it with a dull slotted screwdriver).

But that tool is specially designed for the NFT and looks well made.... but it's a want not a need unfortunately lol

The pop-in arm looks great too... but I don't think I'll do that until I've tried the screw-in (I'm used to strats bridges anyway)

thanks for the tips!

 

[stratamania]

I need to order another Red Bishop arm at some point in the future so will get the tool at the same time. I have another NFT to do another project just not sure which direction I am going with it yet.

 

[LushTone]

I need to order another Red Bishop arm at some point in the future so will get the tool at the same time. I have another NFT to do another project just not sure which direction I am going with it yet.

I actually may try that tool as well.. intonation matters.

 

[DangerousR6]

Sweet, I love the old skool non fine tuner Floyds, but why the recess, it's not needed... :dontknow:

 

[stratamania]

Sweet, I love the old skool non fine tuner Floyds, but why the recess, it's not needed... :dontknow:

It could be used without a recess in combination with an angled neck pocket, which I have not tried. The recess does not require an angled neck pocket. So in that regard it is similar to an OFR, either an angled pocket or recess is needed for similar reasons.

This is quite an old thread that got resurrected.

A better thread is this one for NFT following some updates to the rout.

Metallic Black Cherry Floyd Rose Non-Fine Tuner

I have posted this elsewhere but I think it is worth adding to this thread, as this is important to update this thread in case anyone reads it for information in the future.

The NFT Floyd and the OFR Floyd are dimensionally different.  Here is a quote from an older thread from myself and Aaron from Warmoth. This was in reply to a forum member who had made an assumption on dimensions for pickguards or something would be the same.

@ GT1-Reach and anyone else reading this in the future. Please take note and I have emphasized this so no one misses it.

The dimensions of the NFT Floyd and the OFR are different.

What is the same is the post width but that is about all.

I am quoting this again, in a bigger font, for anybody who thinks stratamania is just joking around. He is not.


The dimensions of the NFT Floyd and the OFR are different.


Every armchair and backseat "guitar designer" out there who shook their heads at Warmoth for not knowing how blindingly simple it would be to just shorten up the rout behind the string clamps was wrong. Sorry dudes....it ain't as simple as you think it is. The baseplate on the NFT is wider. The NFT will not drop into an OFR rout....it is too wide. The entire rout has to be done from scratch.

 

[DangerousR6]

Sweet, I love the old skool non fine tuner Floyds, but why the recess, it's not needed... :dontknow:

It could be used without a recess in combination with an angled neck pocket, which I have not tried. The recess does not require an angled neck pocket. So in that regard it is similar to an OFR, either an angled pocket or recess is needed for similar reasons.

This is quite an old thread that got resurrected.

A better thread is this one for NFT following some updates to the rout.

Metallic Black Cherry Floyd Rose Non-Fine Tuner

I have posted this elsewhere but I think it is worth adding to this thread, as this is important to update this thread in case anyone reads it for information in the future.

The NFT Floyd and the OFR Floyd are dimensionally different.  Here is a quote from an older thread from myself and Aaron from Warmoth. This was in reply to a forum member who had made an assumption on dimensions for pickguards or something would be the same.

@ GT1-Reach and anyone else reading this in the future. Please take note and I have emphasized this so no one misses it.

The dimensions of the NFT Floyd and the OFR are different.

What is the same is the post width but that is about all.

I am quoting this again, in a bigger font, for anybody who thinks stratamania is just joking around. He is not.


The dimensions of the NFT Floyd and the OFR are different.


Every armchair and backseat "guitar designer" out there who shook their heads at Warmoth for not knowing how blindingly simple it would be to just shorten up the rout behind the string clamps was wrong. Sorry dudes....it ain't as simple as you think it is. The baseplate on the NFT is wider. The NFT will not drop into an OFR rout....it is too wide. The entire rout has to be done from scratch.

Yes, typically 1.5 to 2 degrees is needed for neck pocket on the non-recess. And is normally the recess is used for downward as well as upward pull, which also facilitates for the omission of the neck pocket angle. But typically, you usually don't see the non fine tuner style set in the recessed format. Thus the intrigue... :icon_thumright:

 

[stratamania]

@DangerousR6 I see now where you are coming from.

Certainly when NFTs were first used in the 80s they would not be using inserts and bushings or recesses. However, when they became available again a few years back following Guthrie Govan prototyping his signature guitar with Charvel and Pete Thorn with John Suhr using them with a recessed body rout for them with inserts and bushings that was a modernisation well worth doing to have the bridge sit lower, not require a neck angle and to be able to raise and lower pitch. 

There is a bit more information and discussion on that in this thread.

Floyd Rose Non-Fine Tuner Recessed rout... want one make it happen…


Footnote: Guthrie's guitars now use a Charvel produced bridge based on the NFT, but the principle is the same.

 

[DangerousR6]

@DangerousR6 I see now where you are coming from.

Certainly when NFTs were first used in the 80s they would not be using inserts and bushings or recesses. However, when they became available again a few years back following Guthrie Govan prototyping his signature guitar with Charvel and Pete Thorn with John Suhr using them with a recessed body rout for them with inserts and bushings that was a modernisation well worth doing to have the bridge sit lower, not require a neck angle and to be able to raise and lower pitch. 

There is a bit more information and discussion on that in this thread.

Floyd Rose Non-Fine Tuner Recessed rout... want one make it happen…


Footnote: Guthrie's guitars now use a Charvel produced bridge based on the NFT, but the principle is the same.

Exactly, pretty much no different than say a strat trem... :dontknow:

 

[stratamania]

@DangerousR6 I see now where you are coming from.

Certainly when NFTs were first used in the 80s they would not be using inserts and bushings or recesses. However, when they became available again a few years back following Guthrie Govan prototyping his signature guitar with Charvel and Pete Thorn with John Suhr using them with a recessed body rout for them with inserts and bushings that was a modernisation well worth doing to have the bridge sit lower, not require a neck angle and to be able to raise and lower pitch. 

There is a bit more information and discussion on that in this thread.

Floyd Rose Non-Fine Tuner Recessed rout... want one make it happen…


Footnote: Guthrie's guitars now use a Charvel produced bridge based on the NFT, but the principle is the same.

Exactly, pretty much no different than say a strat trem... :dontknow:

A Strat trem is not recessed as you know and does not lock.