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If you never use your tone controls....

tfarny

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Try this. Seriously. Replace your pot with a good 1 meg pot and the cap with a simple radio shack chiclet type .01 (that's right, half the value of the standard Gibson control).

I just re-wired my thinline last night, because it had developed a grounding issue and I was tired of the two-volumes setup, and inspired by my experiments with bass caps and this article: http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2008/Mar/Auditioning_Tone_Capacitors.aspx I took out the series switch and replaced w/ a cap switch so my tone pot saw either a .022 or .01 chiclet cap.
Results: the .01 cap is the better value for this guitar and these pickups (P90 n / tele br), absolutely. They both reduce the highs by a similar amount, but the .01 cap leaves the midrange, the core of your sound, alone. The rolled-back tone has more body, less volume drop as you roll it back, and makes very musical, useful sounds through the whole range of the control.
Also of note: Played clean into a blackface champ w/V30, w/ just a cord (which is not spelled CHORD, people!) with the tone pot at 10 there is absolutely no audible difference I can hear between the two caps. The .01 cap is NOT "too bright" with the tone pot at 10, even with the tele bridge pickup and the amp treble cranked, there is no diff whatsoever in the sound between the two caps. Not ONLY is not not "too bright" but since the tone control actually does control the treble and not the treble + midrange, you can turn it down and get a great sound if you think it's "too bright".

Don't argue with me if you haven't actually done this - "Leo did such and so blacch blachh blah". Try it and see if it works for you, it definitely improved my guitar. Sound clips anyone?
 
I've got the flu and don't want to wake up the wife, so sorry about the crap playing but I believe you can hear what I'm saying, right?  Leaves the midrange alone more or less, doesn't ruin the upper mids, functions like a control you'd actually use.
 
Also interesting for the "Leo did X, so..." crowd, apparently he started with .1 caps and moved to .047, then started using .022 in a lot of guitars, he used .047 with his humbucker guitars, etc. etc. He didn't really follow the "rule" .047 = singles, .022 = buckers.
 
interesting stuff mate.. I might just have to give it a go.

Thanks for bringing this to the table!  :headbang:
 
I've heard about this before, and I have actually been meaning to apply it to my LP.  I've been putting it off though because the wiring in that guitar is insane, and I'm not looking forward to getting in there and trying to work with it because there are so many wires in that cavity. 
 
The late 50's Strats and Teles had the, "Phonebook caps," that were 0.1 uF.  The Luxe company makes reproductions, but they are quite pricey.  I am not sure of the exact history, but apparently the original source of caps dried up and they moved to these for a while.  But still, the cap values have floated around.
Patrick

 
Patrick from Davis said:
The late 50's Strats and Teles had the, "Phonebook caps," that were 0.1 uF.  The Luxe company makes reproductions, but they are quite pricey.

Whatever man, don't pay zillions of dollars for boutique capacitors.  If you spent more than a dollar per capacitor you got ripped off.  Orange drops are fine for guitars, and any modern capacitor will outlast a vintage reproduction by decades.
 
tfarny said:
Also interesting for the "Leo did X, so..." crowd, apparently he started with .1 caps and moved to .047, then started using .022 in a lot of guitars, he used .047 with his humbucker guitars, etc. etc. He didn't really follow the "rule" .047 = singles, .022 = buckers.

Leo - being a radioman, and also knowing what he was doing - set the value to match the inductive reactance of his pickups, with the exception being the .1 on the first tele's which were a "cut it all, except the fundamental" sort of cap.  The rule didn't come out till way way later.
 
dbw said:
Patrick from Davis said:
The late 50's Strats and Teles had the, "Phonebook caps," that were 0.1 uF.  The Luxe company makes reproductions, but they are quite pricey.

Whatever man, don't pay zillions of dollars for boutique capacitors.  If you spent more than a dollar per capacitor you got ripped off.  Orange drops are fine for guitars, and any modern capacitor will outlast a vintage reproduction by decades.

Well, I have heard the difference between ceramics and polyester foil caps and it is very noticeable.  I have not heard the oil caps to see if they have any great effect, but caps seem to have a character all of their own.  Tonar has a stash of vintage ceramics, and I am guessing that they have a character that is different as well.  The other thing is how close a reproduction do you want?  For some that is part of the fun of building one of these things.  But, I will agree, get a metallized foil cap and that will give you the best bang for your buck.
Patrick

 
try mylar.... I was always pleased with the tone of my Guild, so took the cover off to find plain ol mylar on 500k pots
 
I can hear the difference at "10"... .022uF cap  - the treble and/or hi-mids sound *slightly* muffled ***compared*** to the .01uF cap, which sounds more "wide open" in the upper frequencies.
 
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