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No hearsay with my opinion about Kahler. Used a Kahler on my number one guitar playing in cover band 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours per night for at least 2 years. Kind of familiar, I am. If you're active on stage playing something high energy and putting on a show by moving around alot, that Kahler bar feels very light weight in your hand. If I were sitting calmly in a chair playing by myself, I suppose the Kahler's easy going tension wouldn't feel so weird to me. It held up OK with a lot of abuse but I definately prefer a Floyd as live player.Orpheo said:
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Gregg said:
Ok, but the therm you used that time was the dead hand... :dontknow:
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Orpheo, I thought you were all about Hipshot.
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That was last week. Man try to keep up.
Marko said:well a wilky or hipshot it is then!
it is funny how a lot of people who hate the look of a floyd, seem to like a bigsby!
now that is a big ass bulky trem!! and very functional! :icon_tongue:
I like how Bigsbys look, but I hate how they cover up so much of the guitar. Only to be used on a solid finish or an L5S if you ask me.
I don't really know that much about tremolos though. I have one on my Ibanez and I almost never touch the thing. But I think it would be a crime to not put one on this hypothetical SG I will own x-amount of years from now.
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I guess I would go for a Floyd if I was picking a trem. I would have to put a tremol-no on it though. I have just gotten way to used to the fixed bridge benefits that trem systems are quite a bit foreign now. I do like the fine tuners, but I really dislike the locking nut.
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I don't agree. I haven't seen, on my acount, a floyd that does the job as good as a kahler.
@violations: I still am. but if I had to do it allover again, I'd use kahler instead of hipshot on some guitars. but on strats, a hipshot is what I prefer. on lesters, I prefer the kahler. so, its a bit of both.
@gregg.I didnt mean what you were saying was hearsay, I believe you and your experience. what I meant was that one guy doesnt like it, and the negative talks about it get spread like the plague, and suddently, many people have an opinion, based on what they've HEARD, not actually tried. most players of my age haven't tried kahler, but dont like it because of the hearsay.
I understand why some like the floyd, but for me, its a bad design. the kahler is (for me) better. I've already explained it in another topic. the great things are in short: change in tone is not as drastic as with the floyd, knifes wont blunt out with heavy use, because they aren't there. no ball-clipping! better ways of intonation and general adjustment. the fact that with EXTREME bends (which my fingers can't even do, but thats due to my .11 gauge strings) the kahler goes a bit out of tune, and a divebomb is needed to be intune again, is a small price to pay, for me anyway. I've NEVER had a floyd that stayed in tune. my girlfriend once had to pull my hair, cause I wanted to trash it. I was trying to just TUNE it, for like 30 minutes. GET REAL! with my kahler, its done in 5 minutes. if I lock it down, its even faster. I unlock it, the tune is just a bit off, finetuners, and its done. Its done, for WEEKS.
edit: I forgot... the kahler needs just 20% of the cavity you need for a floyd that combined with all the contactpoints, I just dont understand why people still chose a floyd.
T.L. said:
read your historybooks. in the 80ies, kahlers WERE more popular. kahler also once made a fullcrum tremolo, like a floyd rose. it had the floyd rose licence, but FR sued kahler, and in 1995, kahler had to stop manufacturing tremolo's. in 2005, they came back though, but in the meantime, floyd rose has gained a LOT of popularity; afterall, it was the ONLY tremolo available, aftermarket and in guitars, which was a 2 point locking tremolo with finetuners. No competition! In Europe, that could have NEVER happened, because a monopoly is not allowed here, but I see that in the USA that's less of a problem.
and because floyd rose gave out licences like santa's elves give away candy, a lot of licenced and OEM products find their way on guitars. even the original floyd rose unit has seen several versions.
thats why they are more popular, not because they're better. in the 80ies, kahler was more popular. on 1 hand, because they WERE better, but on the other hand, floyd roses were only to be found on kramer guitars (EvH huh..) but after floyd rose let that arrangement go, cause kramers didnt sell as good as was hoped, floyd rose still didnt sell as much as kahler, so thats why kahler got the licence. but kahler got screwd over by floyd rose. he changed the licence-deal, and thats why kahler just got back to manufacturing.
Within a year I believe, they will make a new fullcrum tremolo. I've seen the design specs...all I can say is: sweeeet!!!!
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