Jusatele
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you can bag all you want on bagpipes (pun intended) but you do have to admit that they have a tonal quality of their own, and it may be an acquired taste, but once you begin to appreciate them they grow on you.
Yes at funerals they seem to fit, but the droning of that style is just a part of them, Jigs, marches and other styles they do great in.
I guess it is just the adventurist in me, but I have about 20 CDs of bagpipe music, and love the stuff.
I also have Harp music, which like bagpipes is not my genre at all, and here is the freak out, of all instruments, I think the Cello is the most beautiful one I have ever heard.
Yes at funerals they seem to fit, but the droning of that style is just a part of them, Jigs, marches and other styles they do great in.
I guess it is just the adventurist in me, but I have about 20 CDs of bagpipe music, and love the stuff.
I also have Harp music, which like bagpipes is not my genre at all, and here is the freak out, of all instruments, I think the Cello is the most beautiful one I have ever heard.
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A couple interesting clips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fds9ZQU5T8c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaUJ9nObLv8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fds9ZQU5T8c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaUJ9nObLv8
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Yeah, Claws has some good ones, they've got a couple misses on youtube too. Overall I like them. I'd like to see some more from these guys.
I was going to post a link to this one as well, but I couldn't make the link to specific time thing work with this vid (1m15s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd4SJn2R3lY#t=01m15s
I was going to post a link to this one as well, but I couldn't make the link to specific time thing work with this vid (1m15s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd4SJn2R3lY#t=01m15s
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I love there approach, it is really good. Kind of puts them in a level different from Blood Sweat and Tears. (the band most horn bands are judged by) instead of using the horns to accent they are putting them right up with the soloist at the same time. Plus they have a great since of timing. I would love to see them live.
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http://www.clawsofparadise.com They don't have any dates or locations listed, but they do have a CD, which I intend to get sooner or later, and purchase direct rather than through amazon. (Right now with my work situation we're in a deep frivolous purchase freeze)
These guys are the closest thing to what I had in mind that I've heard yet.
But of late I've been trying to really pick apart AC/DC to see what really makes it rock. And I think the biggest single factor is that drummer and all the space they leave around him. They're certainly much more stripped back (much of the time) than most hard rock bands, and I think that's a key component that I'd like to take from it. I have worries about the vocal style being critical too, and I just don't think my voice could ever lend itself to that sound. Motion in stage presence is important, but that can't be delivered through the audio alone. Of course, stripped back can't exactly be applied to Def Leppard, and that's the 2nd largest influence in my head for this concept. Tight yes, but layered, multiple guitars, BGV's out the wazoo (and hair).
These guys are the closest thing to what I had in mind that I've heard yet.
But of late I've been trying to really pick apart AC/DC to see what really makes it rock. And I think the biggest single factor is that drummer and all the space they leave around him. They're certainly much more stripped back (much of the time) than most hard rock bands, and I think that's a key component that I'd like to take from it. I have worries about the vocal style being critical too, and I just don't think my voice could ever lend itself to that sound. Motion in stage presence is important, but that can't be delivered through the audio alone. Of course, stripped back can't exactly be applied to Def Leppard, and that's the 2nd largest influence in my head for this concept. Tight yes, but layered, multiple guitars, BGV's out the wazoo (and hair).
Bagpipes should be thrown in a sack and burnt. Every day in Edinburgh there is a piper on the streets playing the same damn tunes over and over. Out of the thousands of tunes that exist it's always the same 5 songs. Highland cathedral. Sky Boat Song. Great for tourists who have never seen or heard bagpipes in real life, But for the majority of people who live their it's just a major pain in the ass.
Good thing I don't live there, it's just pain in the arse when there is plenty of GREAT Scottish country music that doesn't involve the bagpipes but they exist because it's what people think of when they mention Scotland, that and kilts. Not everyone plays the bagpipes and not everyone wears a kilt. I remember being at a folk festival in a place called Auchtermuchty, heavy night of drinking round a camp-fire playing gold old fashion folk music, 5am the sun starts to rise and everyone passes out. 5.05am a piper decides to do a sunrise special. the only thing that could be heard over the top of it was the delightful phrase, "f**k off."
Seriously though, in Edinburgh during the tourist months every street has some arse dressed like this playing the bagpipes. That is why I rarely go the Edinburgh anymore.
Good thing I don't live there, it's just pain in the arse when there is plenty of GREAT Scottish country music that doesn't involve the bagpipes but they exist because it's what people think of when they mention Scotland, that and kilts. Not everyone plays the bagpipes and not everyone wears a kilt. I remember being at a folk festival in a place called Auchtermuchty, heavy night of drinking round a camp-fire playing gold old fashion folk music, 5am the sun starts to rise and everyone passes out. 5.05am a piper decides to do a sunrise special. the only thing that could be heard over the top of it was the delightful phrase, "f**k off."
Seriously though, in Edinburgh during the tourist months every street has some arse dressed like this playing the bagpipes. That is why I rarely go the Edinburgh anymore.
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what makes AC/DC rock
that is simple, the rhythm section, the rhythm guitarist, bass player and drummer set up the groove, rock solid 3 piece groove. no frills, no fancy chords, just good solid vibe. then you take a person who wants to destroy their voice in one song to sing, and a hyperactive guitarist who studied classical music and turn them loose. That is it in a nutsheel.
I am sure long nights drinking in stripclubs has helped
but all in all, it is the full frontal attack of the most basic formats ever put together
Just look this, those guys are very great at what they do, they do not do much, but they have practiced that little bit till they can do it in their sleep. and they do not stray far from a very success full formula: great intro with a hook that gets you stomping your foot through the floor, A chorus that has you shouting at the top of your lungs and a guitar solo that has the entire arena playing air guitar.
Now that is rock and roll.
Def Leppard's approach is different,it is over producing a song. Worked well for them. If you tear down a DL song it is not hard, it is just the fact that every note is placed right where it needs to be. I bet the productioncost in studio between both those bands is night and day, and they both rock.
that is simple, the rhythm section, the rhythm guitarist, bass player and drummer set up the groove, rock solid 3 piece groove. no frills, no fancy chords, just good solid vibe. then you take a person who wants to destroy their voice in one song to sing, and a hyperactive guitarist who studied classical music and turn them loose. That is it in a nutsheel.
I am sure long nights drinking in stripclubs has helped
but all in all, it is the full frontal attack of the most basic formats ever put together
Just look this, those guys are very great at what they do, they do not do much, but they have practiced that little bit till they can do it in their sleep. and they do not stray far from a very success full formula: great intro with a hook that gets you stomping your foot through the floor, A chorus that has you shouting at the top of your lungs and a guitar solo that has the entire arena playing air guitar.
Now that is rock and roll.
Def Leppard's approach is different,it is over producing a song. Worked well for them. If you tear down a DL song it is not hard, it is just the fact that every note is placed right where it needs to be. I bet the productioncost in studio between both those bands is night and day, and they both rock.
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Yeah, I've seen DL live two or three times, all recently. Once with Journey. I was really impressed with both bands and the show they put on.
And it's interesting that you bring up the production differences between AC/DC and Def Leppard, since they shared a producer for several of their albums that made them icons.
And it's interesting that you bring up the production differences between AC/DC and Def Leppard, since they shared a producer for several of their albums that made them icons.
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I'm not sure how to answer that one. I suppose he certainly leaves his mark, yet as noted there are clear stylistic diffs between the two. Commonalities too, (the hard hitting music & raunch level) but overall I think he brings out more of themselves. And they both still execute that idea live with utter perfection. (I suppose anyone could get that way doing the same songs for 20 years
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It's not necroposting if its your own thread. I think that's simply called obsessing.
Not exactly sure what to think about this one - and not my favorite tune - but they do capture a tiny bit of the brassy punch that I think would layer up so nicely with a killer rhythm section. (Even though the camcorder mic isn't the best way to capture it) Put them on stage with a full tilt JTM45 and make em work to be heard, and I think you'd be getting somewhere. It also lends a bit of support to my trombone heavy brass section idea.
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Not exactly sure what to think about this one - and not my favorite tune - but they do capture a tiny bit of the brassy punch that I think would layer up so nicely with a killer rhythm section. (Even though the camcorder mic isn't the best way to capture it) Put them on stage with a full tilt JTM45 and make em work to be heard, and I think you'd be getting somewhere. It also lends a bit of support to my trombone heavy brass section idea.
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