glued the neck to guitar body

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

I would go so far to say not to look for tone in gear.  I've heard too many bad tones out of superior gear, and vice versa; good tones from less than ideal gear.  For the past year, I've been co-hosting 2 open jams where the host band provides the backline.  Without fail, the best sounds come from the guys and gals that get up an play the backlined gear.  It's not because the gear is good, but because the person getting up flubs a few notes, turns a few knobs, and does the best with what is provided.  It may not even be their ideal piece of gear, but they make it work because tone is almost always taste. Conversely, the person that insists on their own amp, pedalboard, and guitar and needs 5 minutes of prep to play 3 songs and curses the venue space for being a weird room, standby and wait for the suck.  It sounds different at their house.  It always does.

 

[Dan025]

bottom line is pickups, intonation, nut/saddle geometry, structural soundness, and playability are essential much more important than material and construction debates. if you have the essentials it will be a great instrument no matter what the parts are and how they are stuck together.

if someone know something small as a nut/saddle geometry , has such regard to hardness can have big influence on guitar tone , why did they denial the influence of wood from body and neck ?

i didn't denie influence. i said if you have those ingredient you will have a great instrument. anything additional is non essential, it makes a difference but it's not like you need some magical wood to make a decent guitar. any wood that is suficiently dry will probably sound pretty good. instrument builders never use oak, it's not considered a tone wood but it is used in parts of brian mays home built guitar. he sounds just fine playing it. you may notice a lot while playing in your bedroom but by the time it's all amplified and someone else is listening to it, the diferences are smaller than we all like to believe. sure there are differences but a fiberglass or acrylic or aluminum guitar can sound great. sure a lp doesn't sound entirely like a fender if you put single coil pickups in it but each difference is just a small part of an accumulation of things. you can go crazy with theory about what makes everything great but you end up getting into things that either can't be proven scientifically or things that have flat out been proven false!!!

you'd be surprised how many people have said heavy strings improve sustain, but it's be definitively proven that light strings have more harmonics and longer sustain. or how many people think a single piece saddle like a violin is better but it's been proven that isolation with separate saddles has advantages and i don't know of any disadvantages.. or how many people say aluminum is not a good tone material because it's maleable but it actually has excellent audio properties when it's hardened. just don't think so much. build a beautiful instrument and don't make life hard. if you want a prs neck joint trust us. it may have the same dimensions as a bolt-on but it's not the same, if you must glue your neck on contract a luthier to build a nice instrument for you or learn to build the neck on your own.

 

[mayfly]

standby and wait for the suck.

Wow!  Now that's a quote!

 

[hannaugh]

I would go so far to say not to look for tone in gear.  I've heard too many bad tones out of superior gear, and vice versa; good tones from less than ideal gear.  For the past year, I've been co-hosting 2 open jams where the host band provides the backline.  Without fail, the best sounds come from the guys and gals that get up an play the backlined gear.  It's not because the gear is good, but because the person getting up flubs a few notes, turns a few knobs, and does the best with what is provided.  It may not even be their ideal piece of gear, but they make it work because tone is almost always taste. Conversely, the person that insists on their own amp, pedalboard, and guitar and needs 5 minutes of prep to play 3 songs and curses the venue space for being a weird room, standby and wait for the suck.  It sounds different at their house.  It always does.

I was listening to an interview with Jack White once, and regardless of what you think of him, he said something that was pretty thought-provoking in my opinion.  He said that if you have someone record two albums and one of them is recorded with all the funding and equipment they want, whereas they have minimal gear on the other, the album recorded without all the fancy stuff will probably be more interesting than the one where they've got everything they want.  It may not sound as good technically, but if all you've got is a few pots and pans and a crappy guitar, you're kind of forced to be more creative with what you have. 

I don't know if it's always true, but that statement has always stuck in my mind for some reason.  I think you can definitely see this idea at work in movies.  Look at the original Star Wars vs the prequels, or countless terrible remakes of classics that had originally been on a shoe-string budget.  Having all the money and every ideal thing you want technically is not always going help you make your best music, art, movie, or what have you.

I think maybe this situation with the jams you just mentioned maybe has a little more to do with the musician's confidence being thrown off when they realize their gear doesn't sound the same everywhere, but it just made me think of that interview. 

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

In the case with new and old movies, those were state of the art at the time, the same with new and old recordings.  What is lacking with new remakes of old movies, imo, storytelling is second to the effects.  Recordings may be better now, it doesn't mean songwriting is.  My analogy with the jams, the guys with the best tone, their brains get it rather than relying on gear.

Jack White says all the right things when the cameras are on.  His recordings do have the perfect gated kick drum that he decries.  And...he is a gear head, but people believe he isn't because he says he isn't.

 

[stubhead]

When even the quotes about retro-ness sound like retro-quotes, isn't it about time to shoot the thread and put it out of it's misery? :dontknow: :icon_thumright: ccasion14:

 

[mayfly]

When even the quotes about retro-ness sound like retro-quotes, isn't it about time to shoot the thread and put it out of it's misery? :dontknow: :icon_thumright: ccasion14:

I'm going to start a retro thread.

 

[SustainerPlayer]

... isn't it about time to shoot the thread ...

... with a glue gun?  :icon_jokercolor:

 

[sixstringsamurai]

:headbang1:                                                                              :headbang1:

 

[Patrick from Davis]

Perhaps we should send the thread to the glue factory.
Patrick

 

[Dan025]

Perhaps we should send the thread to the glue factory.
Patrick

hehe.. i see what you did there!!!

beating a dead horse, glue, glue is made from dead horses and the thread is about glue... it works on so many levels.

 

[stubhead]

No sense trying to beat a crumbles-dead horse to water across the road - another one opens - that's just the way the rubber hits the cookie! :icon_thumright:

 

[ghostrider]

if the qualification on technical discuss , is base on register day , I  doubtful about the maturity level of this forum.

I don't know how to talk like a new comer , I wouldn't be offended with  childish too , as I am moderator for photography forum over 10 years.

some laymen will greeted when we put DSLR on heavy pro fluid video head , we just a very small group of photographers who want to take some photo few  other have try . I also hear it before " no such equipment on the market " or " it can't be done " , so I just design and build some thing for myself and this very small group of photographers, like this :


for guys like BLINDFOLD TEST would never understand what kind precision level need to build a camera , here is a 6 x 12 cm DIY panoramic camera I did :

http://www.look.hk/612/

for guys like BLINDFOLD TEST please enjoy this  BLINDFOLD TEST video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCEdT2d43jU

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talk about so many people who spent their lives developing electric guitars. did anyone done any thing new after 1959 on guitars wood construction side ? beside PRS ? did anyone wondering why so many other thing got great progress after 1959 ?

Nice 612. I used to have a 617 and a 4x5. I absolutely loved shooting with them, but film, development, and scanning became too costly. I'm 100% digital now. I miss the process of those cameras but the results of digital are better for me as well as cheaper.

Anyway, don't glue your neck to the body!  :icon_tongue:

 

[Jumble Jumble]

It's weird, I really thought that a glued lap joint was a bad idea for a guitar neck, but now I've seen that some guy made a camera, I can admit that obviously I was wrong about that guitar thing.

 

[sixstringsamurai]

It's weird, I really thought that a glued lap joint was a bad idea for a guitar neck, but now I've seen that some guy made a camera, I can admit that obviously I was wrong about that guitar thing.

:laughing7:  :doh:

 

[Hendrix]

It's weird, I really thought that a glued lap joint was a bad idea for a guitar neck, but now I've seen that some guy made a camera, I can admit that obviously I was wrong about that guitar thing.

Hendrix I am not attacking you I am trying to help, guitar marketing has brainwashed many people and everyone believes oh you need a les paul to get this tone or a fender strat to get this because thats what they want you to believe to sell MORE guitars! Buy some pickups from gibson put them in a warmoth LP (I know i know we can't make new ones) and bam it sounds just like the Gibson les paul but its not and it has a bolt neck instead of set and maybe its a korina body with a wenge neck and a ziricote fingerboard, something gibson has never made yet it sounds just like them.

Alright I am rambling terribly, I am out

talk about brainwashed , if people try to go to Les Paul Forum , it very funny to see the sharp contrast of "two camps" .  Les Paul user seem they know better than  Gibson R&D , they think Gibson not use the right glued on their new guitar , this can be a good MBA case study on customer relationship management comparison

I analyse a product by how their manage the companies, not their advertisement , I actually also doing design work for advertisement , I the one try to " brainwashed " customer , I help my father run a RC toy company too , they sell a lot to Radio shack , to use one more screw or not on a toy , the technical reasons behind that is inconceivable to end user .

 

[Hendrix]

Nice 612. I used to have a 617 and a 4x5. I absolutely loved shooting with them, but film, development, and scanning became too costly. I'm 100% digital now. I miss the process of those cameras but the results of digital are better for me as well as cheaper.

Anyway, don't glue your neck to the body!  :icon_tongue:

I only do  landscape on 612 now , I have sold my 617 , it just too heavy to take alone with other big lens , I just like the feeling that holding a big slide in my hand to view it.

I don't like scanning too , I use a DSLR to DIY digitize it this way ;

 

[alterbridgefan]

Okay, we're chasing you in circles, and you are avoiding the one important question:

WHY? Why do you want to glue the neck to the body?

 

[Cagey]

I think we have a bit of a language/communication problem here, more than anything else. English is clearly not the OP's native language.

If I understand things correctly, he's not going to glue a Warmoth neck to a Warmoth body. That was never the plan, and he's already ordered the parts. He's just trying to find out what the motivations are for doing it one way or another, with what sounds like a preconceived notion that glue-ups are "better" somehow. The problem with the question is there's no binary answer. It's not a dichotomy; one is not necessarily better than the other. It depends heavily on construction details. Of course it would be foolish in the extreme to glue a bolt-on neck to a body prepped for that. It would be a terrible joint doomed to rapid failure. But, that doesn't mean glue-ups (or bolt-ons) are a Bad Thing.

So, we're back to what I asked early on in the thread - what is it the OP wants to know/accomplish? By his testimony, he's bought a bolt-up solution. So... what? Need reassurance? I can understand if one believes glue-ups are better, one might be a bit anxious about a bolt-on.

 

[Ddbltrbl]

Why climb Mt. Everest?