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glued the neck to guitar body

Has anyone seen the concrete guitar video?  You can listen to a guitar made out of concrete vs a guitar made of wood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F2SHlfB8YE

Bagman67 said:
I'm diggin' your new avatar, Hannaugh.  Daria was a great show.

Thanks!  And yes, yes it was.  I've been watching it again on dvd.  It's somehow even funnier now than when I was in high school. 
 
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If the OP wants to glue a joint that is only designed/engineered/tested for, with long wood screws, then good luck.

As others have debated here, inevitably the joint will fail.

There are three established methods of joining an electric guitar body to a neck. Each have their pluses and minuses both in execution and tonal aspects. All three methods work, and work well over a long period of time, if the craftsmanship is up to scratch.

I can't understand WHY anyone would then disregard all the success that manufacturers have had with those methods, and consider attempting to mod a method into something that it is not intended to do.

I hate the notion that someone is going to buy an otherwise decent body and neck and ruin it.

 
Hendrix,
I'm not sure what your program is. It looks like you came to tell us rather than ask us about a question you seem to already have answered.
Most of us have already tried what you are thinking about, and weren't very happy with the results.

So,
You aren't Jimi
You aren't Leo.
You aren't Kostantinos.
You aren't Les.
You aren't Paul.
Actually, You aren't any of the many people who spent their lives developing electric guitars.

So unless you have something new to bring to the table.
You are just a newer image of the rest of us.

For that reason, I'm out.

:rock-on:
 
Hendrix said:
talk about Stradivarius, his violin is the most expensive music instruments , proven its holy grail of craftsmanship .


Even after the most convenient method of modern instrumental analysis by  the most professional scientist, none can duplicate it.

http://www.rsc.org/education/EiC/issues/2005July/violins.asp
http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/society_culture/fiddling_around_the_lab.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/violin

key secret recipes is on it's varnishing and glue joint .

that mean , if two Guitar has same pickups and wood etc, the difference between a great  music instruments and a poor one, is how well their wood joint  together and how good they finishing is.

this thread is ridiculous.

who cares about the theories of if glue sounds as good as mechanical joints or not. the question was about gluing a bolt on neck. but it's just not structurally sound. carpenters and intrument makers know this. you may try it and it may work but no factory will risk it on large scale production because some may be fine and others may fail...

now onto the strads... the serets of the Stradivarius violins is not the glue. it's the old growth lumber which is ever increasingly rare, when the trees were fell, and storage in water before they were milled. some types of lumber can have either open or closed grains depending on the season they are fell and storage in water keeps the pores open. water sources were often used to float lumber to a mill. if stored long enough microbes eat the sap and soft material.

if you look up timeless timber they recover sunken old growth lumber left over from the 1800's that they sell for luxury flooring and if the species is right, musical instruments. when a violin was constructed with this lumber using the same tecniques as stradivarius the tone was said to be superior to the original! there was a guitar builder that used this lumber who had some variation on a double cut strat style and when i was in japan i also found a strat clone manufactured locally with a timeless timber branding on the headstock. if i had the cash i would have had one built but maybe more because of the uniqueness. 

so yeah material matters and glue may sound ok but what does that have to do with it being a good idea? you seem set on the idea so do it but don't expect anyone to want to buy it!!.

still MOST of the "tone" in a solid body guitar, especially one with magnetic pickups. does come from the electrical resonant properties of the circuit from the pickups, to the pot values, to the cap, to the cable, to the amp input stage. by the time you record an amplified electromagnetic pickup solidbody guitar and play it back i'll be damned if you can identify the construction material, nevermind the neck joint.... not that there isn't a difference, but it is not as significant without thin sections designed to emit sound. all you will know is weather it sounds good or bad, i am sure you won't be able to identify how it was built....

the problem people have when they join here is they expect us all to be cork sniffers like the other guitar forums. if you want to get a nice headphone amp and audiophile headphones or a great set of monitors, then have some people do some high sample rate recordings and do some a/b a/b b/a listening sessions go for it. but many of us are not into believing things because the beliefs are just common things to believe around here...

bottom line is pickups, intonation, nut/saddle geometry, structural soundness, and playability are essential much more important than material and construction debates. if you have the essentials it will be a great instrument no matter what the parts are and how they are stuck together.
 
I am getting rid of ALL my set necks, My SG and LP feel like sloppy toys now...
and I need the money for my next build... :icon_biggrin:

I am a total Warmoth crackhead now, in all my years I have never played a better instrument.
So I have to say from a practical view, gluing a bolt on neck is silly, not to mention structurally unsound.

Why would you want to dampen a tonally  superior wood/wood contact surface with glue.... :icon_scratch:
 
sixstringsamurai said:
I am getting rid of ALL my set necks, My SG and LP feel like sloppy toys now...
Why would you want to dampen a tonally  superior wood/wood contact surface with glue.... :icon_scratch:

Well, not all set necks are shock absorbers. Les Pauls, for instance, have a shorter neck with a generous fillet leading to a very thick heel that has a large, deep mortise/tenon joint with a brick of a body. You can get a lotta sustain out of one of those, even with a Mahogany neck. I have an Agile LP here now that you can rip a power chord out on and go make a sandwich while waiting for it to decay/release.

But, the price for that construction is they're not as easy to play as one might hope. It's not exactly an all-access neck joint  :icon_biggrin:

SGs and Melody Makers, though, can be pretty dead compared to many guitars. Not a lotta wood or much of a joint there.
 
One thing I can be sure of, there is no holy grail or end all be all tone secret.  I've made up these absolute rules, and am always stuck scratching my head when a certain guitar through a certain amp shouldn't make the sound it does.  Find what you like, move on.
 
Super Turbo Deluxe Custom said:
One thing I can be sure of, there is no holy grail or end all be all tone secret.  I've made up these absolute rules, and am always stuck scratching my head when a certain guitar through a certain amp shouldn't make the sound it does.  Find what you like, move on.

No kidding. Every time I think I know something, some guitar comes along and laughs at me.

But, you have to go with the numbers. It's like psychology. No truly unimpeachable rules, just statistical probabilities.
 
Super Turbo Deluxe Custom said:
One thing I can be sure of, there is no holy grail or end all be all tone secret.  I've made up these absolute rules, and am always stuck scratching my head when a certain guitar through a certain amp shouldn't make the sound it does.  Find what you like, move on.

Yep.  What he said.
 
Hbom said:
Hendrix,
I'm not sure what your program is. It looks like you came to tell us rather than ask us about a question you seem to already have answered.
Most of us have already tried what you are thinking about, and weren't very happy with the results.

So,
You aren't Jimi
You aren't Leo.
You aren't Kostantinos.
You aren't Les.
You aren't Paul.
Actually, You aren't any of the many people who spent their lives developing electric guitars.

So unless you have something new to bring to the table.
You are just a newer image of the rest of us.

For that reason, I'm out.

:rock-on:


if the qualification on technical discuss , is base on register day , I  doubtful about the maturity level of this forum.

I don't know how to talk like a new comer , I wouldn't be offended with  childish too , as I am moderator for photography forum over 10 years.

some laymen will greeted when we put DSLR on heavy pro fluid video head , we just a very small group of photographers who want to take some photo few  other have try . I also hear it before " no such equipment on the market " or " it can't be done " , so I just design and build some thing for myself and this very small group of photographers, like this :

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for someone know what it use for , call it invention .


for guys like BLINDFOLD TEST would never understand what kind precision level need to build a camera , here is a 6 x 12 cm DIY panoramic camera I did :

http://www.look.hk/612/

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for guys like BLINDFOLD TEST please enjoy this  BLINDFOLD TEST video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCEdT2d43jU

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talk about so many people who spent their lives developing electric guitars. did anyone done any thing new after 1959 on guitars wood construction side ? beside PRS ? did anyone wondering why so many other thing got great progress after 1959 ?
 
Dan0 said:
bottom line is pickups, intonation, nut/saddle geometry, structural soundness, and playability are essential much more important than material and construction debates. if you have the essentials it will be a great instrument no matter what the parts are and how they are stuck together.


if someone know something small as a nut/saddle geometry , has such regard to hardness can have big influence on guitar tone , why did they denial the influence of wood from body and neck ?
 
You obviously don't care whether we agree with you, so why don't you just get on with it, order a Warmoth body and neck, and glue them together? To answer your original post, Franklin Titebond is a very well-regarded glue.
 
I concur.  Frankin's titebond III is what I used to glue on my LP Junior neck.  It was very nice to work with and is very stable.  I'm looking at that guitar right now - it's great!  It's not a warmoth though.

Hendrix, please glue on that neck!  and please report back on your progress with plenty of pictures.  I'm very curious to see how it turns out.

 
It'll turn out fine. It just won't sound as good or last very long, assuming it survives being strung up.
 
talk about so many people who spent their lives developing electric guitars. did anyone done any thing new after 1959 on guitars wood construction side ? beside PRS ? did anyone wondering why so many other thing got great progress after 1959 ?

ESP guitars a few years ago invented the set-thru neck which is obviously an innovation on set neck and neck thru.

Also you asked about building guitars with different materials such as plastic and nobody does it because it won't sound the same as wood. Well these guys make guitars out of aluminum.

http://www.alumisonic.com/

These guys use acrylic and aluminum

http://www.electricalguitarcompany.com/

Yes take the same pickups put them in however many different guitars you want with different woods. Use the same cables and run it through the same amp and same speakers and they will sound the same!  Wood is very appealing to the eye and we would rather see flame/quilt/spalt maple tops or any other natural wood grain than a plastic or metal guitar. Also a wood neck feels better than plastic.

Simply put magnets are not microphones and can not see materials. Geometry is more important because the scale length of the strings determines where the pole pieces are going to end up and they need to be in the right spot to pick up the right overtones.

Wood is extremely important in acoustic guitars, violins, cellos, etc.. all acoustic instruments because the wood is the only thing that is propelling that sound, NOT an amplifier, This is also why when someone wants to amplify that sound and wants to stay true to the natural acoustics they use a microphone on an acoustic guitar instead of using an acoustic electric guitar.

Also yes I am new here have been an avid reader for years completed my first Warmoth build late last year and can't wait to do my next! Sorry to reiterate alot of what has been said just trying to put it in different terms so another point of view can be seen.

Hendrix I am not attacking you I am trying to help, guitar marketing has brainwashed many people and everyone believes oh you need a les paul to get this tone or a fender strat to get this because thats what they want you to believe to sell MORE guitars! Buy some pickups from gibson put them in a warmoth LP (I know i know we can't make new ones) and bam it sounds just like the Gibson les paul but its not and it has a bolt neck instead of set and maybe its a korina body with a wenge neck and a ziricote fingerboard, something gibson has never made yet it sounds just like them.

Alright I am rambling terribly, I am out
 
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