Floyd Rose Non-Fine Tuner Recessed rout... want one make it happen...

[amon]

Pretty sure the Kahler also requires an angled neck pocket, like a ToM or non-recessed OFR.

 

[aarontunes]

I don't think anyone's saying there's "no market". The question is how large it is in the DIY world. It certainly has some dimension - there will always be people who like things overly complex, overpriced and difficult to set up. Also, an OEM implementation may not be the blessing it looks like. Look at what happened with Gibson and their ill-considered "robot tuners". They spent millions on that idea, and take-up was flatter than a popcorn fart.

Yep...as related as they may seem, the DIY guitar parts market is a pretty different animal that the normal guitar market. Completely different customer expectations, both in terms of the features they want and how much they are willing to pay for them.


Also, the criteria that must be considered for new offerings is vastly more complex for parts builders. Guitar builders work out a design using a small set of known parts, and then repeat it 50,000 times. On the other hand, parts builder have no idea what the end user intends to do with their parts. We have to be concerned about universal compatibility of our parts with myriad other parts and features. It's a much more difficult R&D nut to crack.


Guitar builder X using part Z in their guitars isn't necessarily a clarion call for all parts builders to rush that option into their offering.

 

[stratamania]

I remember that thread on TGP, I posted in it to the tune of that the bottom line is testing to be certain what is offered will meet expectations is paramount. If that had occurred for the other supplier that thread would not have existed.

It was quite a thread.

Happy for Warmoth, to take their time on this and be certain.

 

[guitarman]

Absolutely!!!  :rock-on:

 

[stratamania]

I don't have Facebook, perhaps post about this on the page there.

 

[bagman67]

It has already been done at least once.

 

[stratamania]

It has already been done at least once.

Thanks, good to know...

 

[TBurst Std]

Why was I thinking a week or 2 ago we had our 5?  I’m job hunting so cannot commit at the time. I can say if this route becomes available, I have it planned for 2 builds.

 

[amon]

[quote author=double A]There was a thread on a guitar forum recently, where a parts company (not Warmoth) did a somewhat unusual bridge rout on one of their bodies for a customer. Their rout was off by just a teeny bit, and the result was that the bridge could not be properly intonated.[/quote]
What was the bridge?  (I'm guessing Evertune)
What was the company?  (I'm guessing no one will tell me)

 

[bagman67]

I could be wrong, but I think the NFT Floyd is a relatively recent piece of hardware. Takes time for demand to swell, assuming it ever does. On top of that, it's like a 4-way stop sign intersection. Everybody's waiting for somebody else to commit, knowing that to move too soon means a crash (loss).

THis is actually the original Floyd, isn't it?  The one that predated the locking nut and fine tuners?  It (or an early version or even a prototype of it) was equipped on Brad Gillis's red superstrat:

What appears to have happened is that with the wide availability of locking tuners, the need for locking nuts and consequently the need for fine-tuner-equipped trems has dropped off.  In parallel, or as a result, Guthrie Govan has adopted this part as his preferred trem system, and since he is a Famous Guitar Player, the public appetite for this particular gewgaw has skyrocketed.

 

[guitarman]

And it works perfectly, as he and pete thorn demonstrated!!!

 

[stratamania]

Why was I thinking a week or 2 ago we had our 5?  I’m job hunting so cannot commit at the time. I can say if this route becomes available, I have it planned for 2 builds.

To my knowledge we did but not all have sent a PM to doubleA as yet.

Good luck with the job search and there is still time. It also will take Warmoth a while before they have tested etc. and you don't need any money up front.

 

[stratamania]

[quote author=double A]There was a thread on a guitar forum recently, where a parts company (not Warmoth) did a somewhat unusual bridge rout on one of their bodies for a customer. Their rout was off by just a teeny bit, and the result was that the bridge could not be properly intonated.

What was the bridge?  (I'm guessing Evertune)
What was the company?  (I'm guessing no one will tell me)
[/quote]

The bridge was a Kahler.

 

[stratamania]

@Bagman67 yes it is essentially the same bridge as Brad Gillis uses, he paid a lot more for his though as this video attests.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JODuJZ-gIoc
[/youtube]

 

[Cagey]

THis is actually the original Floyd, isn't it?  The one that predated the locking nut and fine tuners?  It (or an early version or even a prototype of it) was equipped on Brad Gillis's red superstrat:

What appears to have happened is that with the wide availability of locking tuners, the need for locking nuts and consequently the need for fine-tuner-equipped trems has dropped off.  In parallel, or as a result, Guthrie Govan has adopted this part as his preferred trem system, and since he is a Famous Guitar Player, the public appetite for this particular gewgaw has skyrocketed.

Right. As the video Stratamania relates, the original original FRs went to Eddie, Carlos, and eventually Brad. They were the first two-point knife-edge fulcrum bridges, which also locked the strings in place, although they didn't have the fine tuners. They worked much better than the sticky, limited range 6 point Fenders. But, as locking tuners hadn't been invented yet, Mr. Rose eventually came up with the locking nut to eliminate the effect of the sloppy Klusons installed on many guitars of the era. That meant adding the fine tuners to the bridge, and that's how the bridge was sold all the way up until just recently when they reverted to the original original design. Locking nuts were no longer necessary after locking tuners came out, as many Wilkinson users can attest, so here we are.

Personally, I've never been able to see the need for the locking saddles and feel they just add unnecessary cost/complexity to the whole thing. The magic of that design has always been the two-point knife-edge fulcrum, and the fun of the Floyd has always been the slightly smaller inertia/spring anchor block that allowed a wider range of travel so you could dive the strings until they were falling off the neck. Also, you had more sharping range, and as with any bridge having that fulcrum, the whole thing could be floated without punishment.

 

[amon]

[quote author=stratamania]The bridge was a Kahler.[/quote]
Somebody got the rout for a Kahler wrong?  I hate a Kahler, but that's just unacceptable.  They deserve all the ridicule in the world for that. 

 

[amon]

[quote author=guitarman]Hey amon, why won't you be the fifth guy??[/quote]
Hey Aaron, Ibanez does a belly contour on the Iceman.  Is this available on Warmoth's Iceman?

 

[Cagey]

Somebody got the rout for a Kahler wrong?  I hate a Kahler, but that's just unacceptable.  They deserve all the ridicule in the world for that. 

No kidding. Unlike the rear counterbalanced systems, there's not a whole lot to those routes. Kinda unforgiveable to misplace it.

Actually, the more I think about it, misplacing any bridge drill/route pattern is unforgiveable. Even first-timers and amateurs know that bridge position is critical.

 

[aarontunes]

[quote author=guitarman]Hey amon, why won't you be the fifth guy??

Hey Aaron, Ibanez does a belly contour on the Iceman.  Is this available on Warmoth's Iceman?
[/quote]


Nope, not a standard option. In a strange twist of fate, however, it's one of the few bodies you can get with double binding.  :icon_biggrin:

 

[aarontunes]

Somebody got the rout for a Kahler wrong?  I hate a Kahler, but that's just unacceptable.  They deserve all the ridicule in the world for that. 

No kidding. Unlike the rear counterbalanced systems, there's not a whole lot to those routes. Kinda unforgiveable to misplace it.

Actually, the more I think about it, misplacing any bridge drill/route pattern is unforgiveable. Even first-timers and amateurs know that bridge position is critical.

If they are anything like us, they probably do a Kahler rout about once a year. They probably did not have a bridge in-hand, and just counted on everything being hunky dory....but between the last one, and the one that got them in trouble, somebody pressed a wrong button somewhere. It happens.