Floyd Rose Non-Fine Tuner Recessed rout... want one make it happen...

[stratamania]

Spot on Tony forgot to mention that...

 

[guitarman]

We still need one more!!!!

 

[stratamania]

We still need one more!!!!

Remember folks you don't need to commit any immediate cash up front and it may be a while till Warmoth completes the prototyping so don't let that stop you.

 

[guitarman]

Even tom anderson offers this as a standard option on some of their guitars.

Suhr, charvel, tom anderson...
Warmoth would fit this row perfectly, don't you think???

So there is definiteley a market for it!!!

 

[amon]

I don't understand what's so difficult about offering the rout for it.  It's exactly the same as the recessed OFR, except move the back wall of the recess an inch forward.

The Non will fit in the OFR rout, it'll just have a large gap behind it.  Seeing as how Warmoth routs for pickups and bridges after paint (which always seemed weird to me), if someone returned a body with a Non rout it could easily be modified into an OFR rout.

 

[bagman67]

Amon, you're thinking in terms of one-offs.  In order to make this a widely available production option, Warmoth has to test in a variety of configurations, and ensure that the changes they make to the CNC programming for this particular rout don't screw up existing code.  It's not a matter of just laying a template on a guitar body - it's a production line update, and as such, it's costly and time-consuming, especially for a resource-constrained small business like Warmoth. 

 

[amon]

Please explain how this is any different than calling out any other trem rout — recessed OFR, Wilkinson, 2-point, etc.  They have completely painted bodies with a generic rear cavity and "Your Choice Tremolo" in the in-stock section, so obviously that process is done at the end.

The NC code gives three dimensions for a tool path.  Simply shift the dimension that calls out the rear wall (X or Y, depending on the orientation of the machine) forward by one inch.  Z dimension (depth) should remain the same as an OFR rout.  I used to do this for a living, so I know how easy it is.

Modding from a Recessed Non-Fine Tuner rout to an OFR rout might have to be a one-off, done by hand, but otherwise, NO, I'm not thinking in terms of one-offs.

 

[Cagey]

Machine still has to be taken out of production, and the program tested on something less valuable than exotic hardwoods. Takes time, talent and material, all the while not producing revenue. It's easy to describe what needs to be done, but there's a certain amount of actual doing that has to take place before you can call it a commercially viable option.

 

[Sovereign_13]

Why would they bother spending the time and money to offer a Warmoth-quality non-fine-tuner Floyd Rose route if no one will buy it?  When options cost money to add, there's a certain expectation that the R&D money will be recouped at some point in the future.  Without some sort of guarantee that enhancing your options list will lead to increased revenue, there's no business case to add options.

Even if it were simple to add options, having options that no one ever buys ends up being a waste of resources that could have gone elsewhere.  That's not good for any production company, and especially not smaller ones.

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

This is why there are 5 promised orders, that will help re-compensate Warmoth for the "opportunity cost".

 

[amon]

[quote author=Sovereign_13]
Why would they bother spending the time and money to offer a Warmoth-quality non-fine-tuner Floyd Rose route if no one will buy it?[/quote]

First off, the time is less than a minute to change the dimension in the text file, rename the file and hit "save."  Plus the standard time it would take to rout for any other trem.  Maybe the guy who runs the machine is hard to talk to, so that could be the issue.

Second, if they don't offer it, it's pretty much guaranteed no one will buy it.

 

[guitarman]

Hey amon, why won't you be the fifth guy??

 

[Cagey]

I could be wrong, but I think the NFT Floyd is a relatively recent piece of hardware. Takes time for demand to swell, assuming it ever does. On top of that, it's like a 4-way stop sign intersection. Everybody's waiting for somebody else to commit, knowing that to move too soon means a crash (loss).

 

[amon]

[quote author=guitarman] Hey amon, why won't you be the fifth guy?? [/quote]
Because Warmoth stopped making the body shapes I would want (flat top LP and Flying V).  I'd even settle for a flat-top Regal, but apparently that's not a thing.  The gimped V is a no-go.

 

[amon]

 

[aarontunes]

The difference between "theory" and "practice" is that in theory there is no difference.

I can't tell you how many times we've attempted to add something new, or tried to make some simple change, and found that there were huge ramifications that we didn't forsee.

The bottom line is that we are going to thoroughly test every new feature before we release it....no matter how simple it may seem.

There was a thread on a guitar forum recently, where a parts company (not Warmoth) did a somewhat unusual bridge rout on one of their bodies for a customer. Their rout was off by just a teeny bit, and the result was that the bridge could not be properly intonated. The thread was brutal, and went on for over twenty pages. I mean brutal. We don't need that kind of pain.

 

[guitarman]

I understand that it takes time to implement something new in the existing range of products.

But when big name guitar builders start inplementing this same peace of hardware into their non custom line of guitars. It means something.

I cannot believe there is no market for this kind of bridge. A ofr without locking nut is just not efficient. (And ugly)
Aestetics in a custom build are important.

If you go to the warmoth facebookpages, you'll see there is some intrest in the nftfr.

 

[Cagey]

I don't think anyone's saying there's "no market". The question is how large it is in the DIY world. It certainly has some dimension - there will always be people who like things overly complex, overpriced and difficult to set up. Also, an OEM implementation may not be the blessing it looks like. Look at what happened with Gibson and their ill-considered "robot tuners". They spent millions on that idea, and take-up was flatter than a popcorn fart.

 

[guitarman]

And what about kahler routs? Is this possible on a warmoth??

 

[aarontunes]

And what about kahler routs? Is this possible on a warmot??

We already do them as an off-menu option...they were programmed many years ago. If we were asked to do them for the first time today we probably wouldn't even consider it.