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Floyd install questions, because the only Floyd I know is Pink!!

BigBeard

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Ok so I am building an ash Strat with a floyd rose and I have never done a floyd.

I am going to recess it.

The questions I have are these:

1) how deep should I rout it?  StewMac says 1/8 to 5/16"....  That is a lot of difference when you are talking about a bridge.  How do I know the best height?  Can someone measure one for me?  Is there a way to tell from the bridge itself what I should recess it to?  How deep do you have to go for maximum "Whammy-ness?"

2) StewMac also says to mount the studs on center at 25" from the nut.  That puts the high E saddle right around 25.5" but I would still like someone to confirm or disconfirm that for me.

3)  How much room is needed behind the string locks to get the wrench in to tighten them?  I know the easy answer is to put the wrench in and rout from the back of the wrench, but that will create a huge hole in the front of the guitar.  Do you lift up on the back of the bridge to loosen the string locks typically?  I can shorten the wrench if necessary, I just want the guitar to be somewhat consistent with a typical floyd guitar.

4) Is it absolutely necessary to drill through the neck to mount the nut?  What are the advantages or disadvantages of not drilling the whole way through?  The floyd I bought has two sets of screws for the nut.  One set of button head machine screws to mount it through the back of the neck and a set of flathead wood screws that fit in the countersink of the mounting holes from the top.  I would prefer to mount it from the top, but if it is better to drill through, I will.  Also, is there any kind of setup needed on these locking nuts?  They look like they are plug and play, nothing to file or what have you.....?

I make my own simple templates, and the template for a floyd is two simple rectangles.  I will make the template for the bridge with my carpenters square and a piece of plywood.  I know  I can buy a template for $20, but there is no need to for a rectangle shaped hole.  Anyway, I know I can figure this out but it's easier with a step or two in the right direction.  In all my years of wrenching on guitars and playing around with them, I have never once come across a floyd bridge, let alone install one!!  But there is only one way to learn, so I am going to do it.

Any other tips or tricks, like how to set the intonation without pulling all of my hair out, would be extremely helpful

I actually like the setup of this bridge.  I like the fine tuners, how it was designed.  I don't play with a tremolo at all anymore, but I could easily convert one of these to a hardtail, just for the fine tuners!!  Remove the arm and sustain block, drill the body where the block attached to the bridge and you have a floyd hardtail.  Overkill on tuning perfection?  Yes.  But it intrigues me.  That's how most of my guitar projects get started, with a specific idea, and I build off of it!  I doubt it if I would ever do such a thing, but knowing it is possible has my mind hard at work and smoke pouring out of my ears!!

Thanks in advance for any help or advice!!  :eek:ccasion14:
 
First things first.

Are you using a original Floyd Rose NIB? Schaller FR? "Licensed" FR?

You can find mounting directions, instructions, and dimensions for a strat here: http://www.kramerforum.com/floydrose/

Feel free to name your first-born Eric.

ORCRiST
 
ORCRiST said:
First things first.

Are you using a original Floyd Rose NIB? Schaller FR? "Licensed" FR?

You can find mounting directions, instructions, and dimensions for a strat here: http://www.kramerforum.com/floydrose/

Feel free to name your first-born Eric.

ORCRiST

Thanks bro.  I'm sorry bud, but I already have a first born, and the consensus around here is no more of those.  One is enough for us.  Would you settle for the next beagle puppy we get?  :icon_tongue:

Anyway, what's the difference between an "original floyd rose" and a "licensed floyd rose"  in terms of function?  I realize that they are slightly different, but since I am starting from scratch that shouldn't matter, should it?  What are the advantages of having an original floyd to a licensed?  Other than it having Floyd Rose carved into the baseplate of the bridge?  Is it the fact that only original floyd parts are compatible with originals, and there is no interchangability between different manufacturer's parts?  I could see that as a problem.  I got it from Allparts, brand spankin new.

I will check out the Kramer forum, stewmac was a little vague on this.

I guess my question is: Can I mount this bridge the way I would typically mount a bridge.... Meaning can I just set high E to be at 25.5" from the nut when it's roughly in the center of it's adjustment for intonation?  That was the way I have always done it before, was to set the high E string to roughly the scale length and mount the bridge there.  I don't really see anything that different about these bridges to not be able to do that....
 
BigBeard said:
Thanks bro.  I'm sorry bud, but I already have a first born, and the consensus around here is no more of those.  One is enough for us.  Would you settle for the next beagle puppy we get?  :icon_tongue:

Anyway, what's the difference between an "original floyd rose" and a "licensed floyd rose"  in terms of function?  I realize that they are slightly different, but since I am starting from scratch that shouldn't matter, should it?  What are the advantages of having an original floyd to a licensed?  Other than it having Floyd Rose carved into the baseplate of the bridge?  Is it the fact that only original floyd parts are compatible with originals, and there is no interchangability between different manufacturer's parts?  I could see that as a problem.  I got it from Allparts, brand spankin new.

I will check out the Kramer forum, stewmac was a little vague on this.

I guess my question is: Can I mount this bridge the way I would typically mount a bridge.... Meaning can I just set high E to be at 25.5" from the nut when it's roughly in the center of it's adjustment for intonation?  That was the way I have always done it before, was to set the high E string to roughly the scale length and mount the bridge there.  I don't really see anything that different about these bridges to not be able to do that....

Well, I'm not a Luthier, so I cant comment on mounting particulars per sa. As far as functionality, all double-locking trems should be identical in terms of function - but there can be vast differences in the execution, components and dimensions of a particular system (Khaler vs. OFR vs. FR 'Licensed' for example). Go to a music store and check out various instruments with locking trems and you'll see what I mean. For example, Schaller manufactures tremolos for Floyd Rose and they make their own (nearly identical) FR 'Licensed' trems as well, but there are some hardware and design differences between the two so much so that if you order a body from W, there are two different types of body routs for each.

My ESP has a FR Licensed clone of the OFR, my Jackson has its own FR Licensed unit that is completely different in terms of string retainers at the bridge, and my W strat has a Schaller FR. I could switch the trems between the ESP and Jackson without issue (at first glance anyways) and I could mount the Schaller FR in either of them but the routed recess would be way bigger than it needed to be, vice versa, I couldn't mount either the Jackson or ESP trems to the W strat as the rout is to small for OFR micro-tuners - just to illustrate the variety of designs out there.

Maybe someone like Dangerous R6 can chime in about the mounting/scale/intonation piece of your question...?

(Performs some David Gilmour-like dive bombs to summon R6)
 
Thanks for the info, bud.  I checked out the Kramer forum and read the floyd install questions, which helped some.

Yeah I was hoping Doug had a thought or two.... he is one of the put a floyd on everything guys!!  and I thought this would be a helpful topic to have on here....
 
BigBeard said:
Overkill on tuning perfection?

hell no! actually it's funny you post this... i'm thinking if i get money together by my birthday or christmas later this year that i'll look into a strat with a floyd as well. i'm thinking recessed floyd, but blocked so it only dives. (recessed so that i could unblock it if i wanted, plus recessed looks so much cooler). i kind of miss my floyd rose equipped guitar that i sold. but i was also thinking it would be cool to have a tune o matic with a locking nut and

graphtech tune-o-matic
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with a gibson TP-6 fine tuning tailpiece
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now THAT might be tuning overkill. but i'm really obsessed about keeping myself in tune.

anyway i'll be keeping an eye on this project. looks really similar to what i've been thinking out
 
No finish on the body, thats raw Alder my friend.

And no, I can't measure it sorry - its in Tennessee gettin paint.

ORC
 
ORCRiST said:
No finish on the body, thats raw Alder my friend.

And no, I can't measure it sorry - its in Tennessee gettin paint.

ORC

Ok no problem.  How are you getting it painted?
 
JaySwear said:
ORCRiST said:
No finish on the body, thats raw Alder my friend.

And no, I can't measure it sorry - its in Tennessee gettin paint.

ORC

no no, i meant what will it be?

Ancient Chinese Secret!

Don't worry, it will be revealed in all its airbrushed and miles-of-clearcoat glory to the forums when its done.  :icon_biggrin:

ORC
 
george lynch tiger! haha i can't wait to see now, whatever it is. knowing it's airbrushed makes it so much more exciting
 
JaySwear said:
george lynch tiger! haha i can't wait to see now, whatever it is. knowing it's airbrushed makes it so much more exciting

Funny you should say that as I'd love to have one, I already own a George Lynch (my favorite guitarist) Kamikaze (sadly, the LTD version) - but its still a kick ass axe minus the ESP price tag. One day...
 
i was extremely close to pulling the trigger on the george lynch tiger LTD version from drumcityguitarland. it was so cool, and such a great price! but i think i'd miss having more than 1 pickup pretty quickly, and couldn't talk myself into it.
 
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