Evertune doesn't fit!

[Cederick]

I live in Sweden so there should be just too much hassle and money involved in sending the body back.


And no, I'm not the first one ordering Evertune guitars from Warmoth. A friend of mine has ordered one two, which is now even having True Temperament frets installed on the neck...  I want too  :toothy12:

So apparently nobody else have encounted the same trouble I have ran into.

By the way... Soloists looks GREAT with a Evertune on it, on strats it looks a bit too big, but on Soloists it's just like the regular Floyd you see everyday. But I want this for function only, and it doesn't look so bad on a strat either  :glasses10:

 

[Updown]

The Evertune route must be a ring in / email option.

As it's not in any builder options and isn't in there spec's for bridge routs.
http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/Options/BridgeRoutingOptions.aspx

I know they will route other bridges etc .... But you have to send them the bridge parts.

I reckon the rear route drill holes for the cover are for there rear covers.
Thats probably why the Evertune cover didn't line up .... as they don't sell that part.

Glad ya got it worked out thou.  :icon_thumright:

 

[Cederick]

Apparently you dont have to send the bridge parts because my friend didn't send a bridge to Warmoth to them... As far as I know at least.

Also, I bought my from the Showcase so it was already routed and finished

 

[dmraco]

That is not acceptable.  Will Warmoth provide you with a new body?  I would demand it.

 

[Cederick]

That is not acceptable.  Will Warmoth provide you with a new body?  I would demand it.

I will get a little discount, but I could fix some problems myself but I shouldn't have to fix stuff myself when buying a body, except the usual drilling holes for pickguards and stuff. But not fix so that the bridge fits...

 

[robt]

I had Warmoth do an Evertune route on a tele body about a year ago and I had similar problems with paint buildup etc. but nothing I couldn't handle. I'm pretty happy with the body. You can see this guitar in the gallery.  I have this mated to a True Temperament neck and I'm very pleased with the overall result.  The Evertune is a pretty amazing peice of hardware but one has to spend a bit of time on the setup if one is a string bender. I will say, that it is nice to leave the guitar for an hour in the Florida heat and go into a air-conditioned room and find the guitar perfectly in tune.  robert taft

 

[e_chord]

I ordered a body a little over a month ago with an Evertune rout, I'll let you know if I run into any problems when it arrives.

Updown - The evertune is an email option and if I remember correct costs $45 extra for the routing.

Robt - Where did you find a true temperament neck?  I'm interested in getting one but have trouble finding any information on it.

 

[Cagey]

These guys build/sell them.

 

[Cederick]

I ordered a body a little over a month ago with an Evertune rout, I'll let you know if I run into any problems when it arrives.

Updown - The evertune is an email option and if I remember correct costs $45 extra for the routing.

Robt - Where did you find a true temperament neck?  I'm interested in getting one but have trouble finding any information on it.

Interesting! Please update when possible 

I had Warmoth do an Evertune route on a tele body about a year ago and I had similar problems with paint buildup etc. but nothing I couldn't handle. I'm pretty happy with the body. You can see this guitar in the gallery.  I have this mated to a True Temperament neck and I'm very pleased with the overall result.  The Evertune is a pretty amazing peice of hardware but one has to spend a bit of time on the setup if one is a string bender. I will say, that it is nice to leave the guitar for an hour in the Florida heat and go into a air-conditioned room and find the guitar perfectly in tune.  robert taft

Can't find, please link it!

 

[Updown]

Can't find, please link it!

I believe it's this one ......  http://www.warmoth.com/Gallery/GalleryItem.aspx?id=5758

 

[Cederick]

Wow, both Evertune and TT frets... I see that coming more and more everywhere, I wanna join in too
I was surprised it was a basswood body, but there's nothing wrong in that

 

[xxtwighlight]

I had a similar issue with the Evertune route and an unfinished Warmoth Tele body.
The route seemed to have shifted near the top of the route and there was a little ledge where the little lip of metal on the Evertune would get caught on. The Evertune would'nt drop into place evenly on the four corner posts that go into the wood.
Then the rear plastic cover didnt line up correctly. That turned to be an "F" model backplate on a tele body. I had to exchange the plastic backplate at Evertune for the proper plate.
But the Warmoth route issue was a process of numerous emails that were never returned until I had to keep reminding them to get back to me. Warmoth didnt believe it was a manufacturing error and said it was a custom order so it couldnt be re-made.
Long story short...I had to send the body back to Warmoth from NJ with the Evertune bridge. I didnt get a new body made, like I wanted, they just kinda fixed up the issue.
I told them that they would have to cover shipping, and they responded that if it wasnt an issue on behalf of Warmoth, that I would have to pay the shipping. If it was thier mistake, then they would pay. I was never offered any discount or compensation in any way like the guy on the other post.
I have the guitar being put together at Philtone. It will take a while as He is busy, but I just hope everything lines up properly when all is completed.
I just didnt like the fact that the issue wasnt adressed ASAP by Warmoth. They kind of beat around the bush for a while and didnt offer a new body, or even make a new body when I asked. I kept telling them that if I purchase something "new" ...then thats what I want. I didnt pay top dollar for a "B stock" reject.
In addition, I asked Warmoth to NOT route for the control plate and pickup wire holes.
I was told it would be a $45 upcharge to avoid the route. Something about programming the CNC machine.  :icon_scratch:

If it wasnt for the fact that they are the only custom guitar parts resource that does the Evertune route for cheap, I wouldnt be using Warmoth.

 

[Cederick]

I had a similar issue with the Evertune route and an unfinished Warmoth Tele body.
The route seemed to have shifted near the top of the route and there was a little ledge where the little lip of metal on the Evertune would get caught on. The Evertune would'nt drop into place evenly on the four corner posts that go into the wood.
Then the rear plastic cover didnt line up correctly. That turned to be an "F" model backplate on a tele body. I had to exchange the plastic backplate at Evertune for the proper plate.
But the Warmoth route issue was a process of numerous emails that were never returned until I had to keep reminding them to get back to me. Warmoth didnt believe it was a manufacturing error and said it was a custom order so it couldnt be re-made.
Long story short...I had to send the body back to Warmoth from NJ with the Evertune bridge. I didnt get a new body made, like I wanted, they just kinda fixed up the issue.
I told them that they would have to cover shipping, and they responded that if it wasnt an issue on behalf of Warmoth, that I would have to pay the shipping. If it was thier mistake, then they would pay. I was never offered any discount or compensation in any way like the guy on the other post.
I have the guitar being put together at Philtone. It will take a while as He is busy, but I just hope everything lines up properly when all is completed.
I just didnt like the fact that the issue wasnt adressed ASAP by Warmoth. They kind of beat around the bush for a while and didnt offer a new body, or even make a new body when I asked. I kept telling them that if I purchase something "new" ...then thats what I want. I didnt pay top dollar for a "B stock" reject.
In addition, I asked Warmoth to NOT route for the control plate and pickup wire holes.
I was told it would be a $45 upcharge to avoid the route. Something about programming the CNC machine.  :icon_scratch:

If it wasnt for the fact that they are the only custom guitar parts resource that does the Evertune route for cheap, I wouldnt be using Warmoth.

Okay then we have it all clear; guess I'll have to go with somebody else with future Evertune projects, this is unacceptable!

I could still buy parts from Warmoth with no routing done, but let somebody who knows what they do make the Evertune rout...  why would it be so hard getting it right? Evertune even have CAD files for CNC machines on their homepage for free download...

 

[stubhead]

why would it be so hard getting it right?

I expect you run smack-dab into something called "resource allocation", i.e. if there's a problem that affects a large number of people it'll get fixed as quickly as possible (there was a ~blink~ a few years back where fret ends were getting over-beveled, it didn't last long). And if there's not much trafficking in a item, it just isn't going to the top of the pile. I would bet that one of the most hair-pullingest, W-A-G (wild-ass-guesses) thing they run into is how much time should how many people spend, on what and which aspects, of every new product introduction... it would appear that the "Evertune Bridge Fix-It Guy" got caught off guard, or he was out mowing the lawn, or painting necks, or something.

I can't imagine there's much information that can be applied to "how is this new thing going to sell?" I mean, you have price points, popularity of similar things, were there any rock stars or studio guys talking up a certain product* or type of product in the magazines lately, a whole bunch of stuff, but it's going to settle into a W-A-G at the end. And sometimes they guess better than others. And sometimes they may get sidelined by competition - if I remember right, Warmoth was the first and basically ONLY place you could buy a nice body to swap the Line 6 Variax guitar guts into, but it didn't take too long for Line 6 to hook up with a high-end Fender-style luthier to offer their own upgraded Variax.

If it was my company, I do know one thing - I would've pulled out all my hair and died of a heart attack a decade ago.  :hello2:

*(I think I first heard of the Evertune in a column by a Nashville studio guy, who wanted one guitar that just would be in tune all the time - he still brought a Strat, Tele and Les Paul to sessions, but sometimes just a quickie was all they wanted.)

 

[Jumble Jumble]

You can't say you offer a rout, and then send out routs that don't fit though. Just stop offering it, if you haven't got the resources to fix it.

 

[Cagey]

True enough. But, it's also possible the Evertune units are inconsistent. It's not like they're make a lot of them. If they're fabbed up by hand per order, they may not have a whole lotta automation in place to keep things repeatable. I'd trust a CNC machine before I'd trust Bubba and his plasma cutter to hit dimensions.

 

[Cederick]

I have a hard tail believeing the Evertune bridges are inconsistant, since all problems seems to occur with Warmoth.
From videos of people installing it themselves, I have not seen the same problem as with Warmoth. And they are using regular templates doing it by hand...

Stübhead: That's no excuse, if somebody pays for something it SHOULD BE DONE RIGHT.
And why would the Evertune rout be any harder than any other rout? It's all some CAD file into a CNC programming machine or somethign, I'm not 100% with this but my friend has built a guitar with CNC machine and it seems to have worked out perfectly on his first try... Why would experienced CNC workers have problem with one single rout?

 

[Cagey]

Yeah, it doesn't seem likely. It was just a thought, since it also seems unlikely that Warmoth would be inconsistent or willing to ship questionable parts.

 

[stubhead]

I'm not trying to make excuses for them, just trying to put a frame on this Q:

why would it be so hard getting it right?

I think Warmoth is in, ummm.... the top half of companies I've dealt with in terms of rectifying problems, but I've never had but minor ones. And there's no telling how many times more stuff goes out perfect - hence, no complaint - to judge against. I woodn't* put them in the top tenth, there's stuff like fret ends that I request them to leave UNdone (straight-up cut, no bevel) because I can do them better myself. But most of what I do is weird in some way or another, way, way off spec, so what I get from Warmoth is a bit more "raw material" in my mind. And I will happily buy stuff elsewhere if it suits me, but dang their double-truss'd necks kick ass.

I have been semi-baffled several times by the entire "changing CNC instructions" impossibilities. Now I don't own a CNC anything, I have no idea how to do it, but from observation it seems as though some people are set up to be a good deal more flexible with specs. More than once I have speculated here that they might benefit from employing a "custom wizard" just to chase around the oddball stuff - OF COURSE you can take a CNC'd two-point whammy rout and stick it on a Jaguar body, you just have to know how (and take the paid time to do it) - but I would guess that people good enough to do that stuff are off making their own guitars.

The Evertune rout is one of those baffling things, I can certainly see why ONE would go out off-spec - but no more. It may be that us chainsaw 'n' electrobeaver guys hurt there, because I would just dig out the offending wood personally with chisels, not mail big slabs of wood all back and forth. I was recently surprised that they didn't have the specs to sink posts for a Hipshot whammy, they've been out and popular for years. And they obviously simply don't have an Evertune bridge sitting there...(?) I haven't ever detected a slant towards pushing only the equipment that they sell, but I agree that if they're going to offer a rout, it should be right. The entire Evertune concept sounds weird and creepy to me, but I'd bet that Warmoth's Evertune bridge routs are gonna be perfect - from now on? :evil4:

 

[Cederick]

I too think it's weird how some options are available only on certain bodies, but it might have to do with thickness of body too I dont know