Evertune doesn't fit!

[robt]

Cedrick,  I was leaving for a vacation when I posted earlier, so I haven't  had time or the  inclination to post. My problems with the Evertune route were more than just paint . And it was not an Evertune problem but a Warmoth routing problem. I was initially surprised that the bridge didn't line up with the Evertune as  most of my Warmoth products have been spot on but rather than call Warmoth, I fixed the problems myself. Evertune  sells a fair amount of bridges and their bridge is standard equipment in one of ESPs guitar models.

With regard to the TT neck, I purchased mine through TT Texas. Im very pleased  the end product. The frets are a cast item shipped from TT Europe. The slots are CNC cut by Precision Pearl of Austin Texas and the nut installation, fret leveling and crowning was done by Tony Nobles. The fret work was outstanding.  As far as I know, Warmoth provides TT Texas as well as TT Europe with the necks equipped with fretless fingerboards.  That said, I would have saved a few dollars if I purchased the neck from TT Europe as TT Texas has to pay a licensing fee to TT Europe

PM me if you have any questions rob

Pd

 

[bagman67]

Two things that give me a little worry is how close proximity the top left screw of the bridge is to the route although I don't think this would be that big of a deal.  The thing that worries me the most is how thin the strip of wood is from the bridge humbucker to the evertune route.

That strip is indeed very thin, which is not necessarily a defect.  More to the point, it looks completely chewed.  I would have expected much cleaner cuts than that.  Whatever tool they used apparently resulted in substantial tearout.  I'd send the photo to Warmoth and ask them whether that's really the level of workmanship they intended to ship.  You may be entitled to a discount, or a replacement.  THat's really pretty ugly.  A shame, too, because that BK lumber is pretty sexy.

 

[Cagey]

I agree. That is some ugly stuff. I doubt it would impact pickup mounting, but still. That little wood bridge is one sharp rap or a little overstress away from cracking and falling out. I'm almost surprised it survived shipping.

 

[stubhead]

But... but.... in looking at the PDF's here:
http://www.evertune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Evertune-ET001G-Routing-Dimensions-2011-05-02.pdf

http://www.evertune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Evertune-ET001G-Overall-Dimensions-2011-05-02.pdf

And the Galleries here:
http://www.evertune.com/gallery-factory-installed/

It looks to me like that strip of wood doesn't even, or shouldn't even, EXIST? In the first pix of the red "Radioactive VGS TD" (true-tempered, that!) and the fourth one of the "VGS Stage One" there's a strip, but it's not in the blueprints and on the other guitars there is solid Evertune metal in that spot? Goink! Obviously I'm missing something important here (missed my afternoon beauty nap :sad1 but "someone" else is too. :dontknow:

I am sure there are momo's re: this forum, when Warmoth must feel as though "With all we do for the ungrateful wretches!" it's more like slipping off adorable baby's bonnet and find out that one has indeed birthed a crocodile, but - then again, I'm dead sure this place generates a very healthy chunk of moola for Warmoth, from
A) genuine admiration of "the art" of it all;
B)the overt, covert, conscious, and un-, both subtle & blatant codified pecker-bumping COMPETITION it engenders (Great Ape & Kuru locked in a dead-heat deathmatch, f'zample);
C) the mental "permission" we grant to ourselves just from the knowledge that "It's O.K., dude!" to spend more on a single neck than on three whole Agiles.

So we got whammy. Unless/until we REALLY get stupid enough to blow ourselves up. ALWAYS ASK THEM FIRST of course. Drifting into apocalyptic psychosis on the first date is not recommended. But yet, I've had a few experiences that went

Stubby's three weird, weird requests ->
sales representative->
wood surgeon->
That nut again?!? NO!->
sales rep-> me ->
Ahem, well, like, Sir, ummm no-oo-oo....

And yet, a few hours later, one mutant "yes!" spontaneously arose & the triple reduced to a double...

This was going forward, not repair, but christ, you didn't goink anything up yourself, and you really, really can't be charged for it. The notion that you would somehow be "liable" for anything here is past borderline offensive, even; and I can't see that idea surviving long as it's going even a tiny ways up the chain of command.

And, at the same time, it's easy to see that they can't operate a business if people just spontaneously take their Warmoth body to an independent luthier then tell Warmoth "It was Gacked! But my luthier fixed it, it cost $500, here's the bill." But this one seems very well-documented, pictures, timetable, the specifics of the tabs and such that were wrong. Some variant of this comes up on a regular basis, running head-on into their business model of selling parts. They don't have a repair shop, they don't have any repairmen. And they're just not going to, there's no forward motion there.

Now there is a 4-page list of unevaluated, opaquely-priced "luthiers" that they put up here simply as a favor. I have often mentioned my aversion to mailing a board all the way across the country to have somebody drill a hole in it and mail it back. It seems quite proper to me that IF this arose (pictorial slideshow abundant) and IF they could tell you what it cost, they and a local luthier (local to the patient, not to the heart-valve maker :laughing8 could juice the goose rather painlessly. Intriguingly, EVERTUNE puts up a small list of installers, but the ones I know anything about are about the most expensive "techs" in the world.

Surely, if I was Warmoth I would YANK a poplar body off of the line and express it to the Evertune factory to get one perfect starting point. Actually it would appear just from this that Warmoth may be, along with Nashville, the epicenter of the whole EVERTUNE thing - couldn't they just borrow one for a decade or three? :dontknow:

 

[Cederick]

But... but.... in looking at the PDF's here:
http://www.evertune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Evertune-ET001G-Routing-Dimensions-2011-05-02.pdf

http://www.evertune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Evertune-ET001G-Overall-Dimensions-2011-05-02.pdf

And the Galleries here:
http://www.evertune.com/gallery-factory-installed/

It looks to me like that strip of wood doesn't even, or shouldn't even, EXIST? In the first pix of the red "Radioactive VGS TD" (true-tempered, that!) and the fourth one of the "VGS Stage One" there's a strip, but it's not in the blueprints and on the other guitars there is solid Evertune metal in that spot? Goink! Obviously I'm missing something important here (missed my afternoon beauty nap :sad1 but "someone" else is too. :dontknow:

I am sure there are momo's re: this forum, when Warmoth must feel as though "With all we do for the ungrateful wretches!" it's more like slipping off adorable baby's bonnet and find out that one has indeed birthed a crocodile, but - then again, I'm dead sure this place generates a very healthy chunk of moola for Warmoth, from
A) genuine admiration of "the art" of it all;
B)the overt, covert, conscious, and un-, both subtle & blatant codified pecker-bumping COMPETITION it engenders (Great Ape & Kuru locked in a dead-heat deathmatch, f'zample);
C) the mental "permission" we grant to ourselves just from the knowledge that "It's O.K., dude!" to spend more on a single neck than on three whole Agiles.

So we got whammy. Unless/until we REALLY get stupid enough to blow ourselves up. ALWAYS ASK THEM FIRST of course. Drifting into apocalyptic psychosis on the first date is not recommended. But yet, I've had a few experiences that went

Stubby's three weird, weird requests ->
sales representative->
wood surgeon->
That nut again?!? NO!->
sales rep-> me ->
Ahem, well, like, Sir, ummm no-oo-oo....

And yet, a few hours later, one mutant "yes!" spontaneously arose & the triple reduced to a double...

This was going forward, not repair, but christ, you didn't goink anything up yourself, and you really, really can't be charged for it. The notion that you would somehow be "liable" for anything here is past borderline offensive, even; and I can't see that idea surviving long as it's going even a tiny ways up the chain of command.

And, at the same time, it's easy to see that they can't operate a business if people just spontaneously take their Warmoth body to an independent luthier then tell Warmoth "It was Gacked! But my luthier fixed it, it cost $500, here's the bill." But this one seems very well-documented, pictures, timetable, the specifics of the tabs and such that were wrong. Some variant of this comes up on a regular basis, running head-on into their business model of selling parts. They don't have a repair shop, they don't have any repairmen. And they're just not going to, there's no forward motion there.

Now there is a 4-page list of unevaluated, opaquely-priced "luthiers" that they put up here simply as a favor. I have often mentioned my aversion to mailing a board all the way across the country to have somebody drill a hole in it and mail it back. It seems quite proper to me that IF this arose (pictorial slideshow abundant) and IF they could tell you what it cost, they and a local luthier (local to the patient, not to the heart-valve maker :laughing8 could juice the goose rather painlessly. Intriguingly, EVERTUNE puts up a small list of installers, but the ones I know anything about are about the most expensive "techs" in the world.

Surely, if I was Warmoth I would YANK a poplar body off of the line and express it to the Evertune factory to get one perfect starting point. Actually it would appear just from this that Warmoth may be, along with Nashville, the epicenter of the whole EVERTUNE thing - couldn't they just borrow one for a decade or three? :dontknow:

Ok I got lost somewhere with mutants, great apes and I don't know what...  :toothy12:

Simplify that post a bit so I can understand it  :toothy12:

 

[Cagey]

He's saying "Be careful what you wish for: you might get it" and if you do get it, see a doctor and get rid of it.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

God, the work on that body is appalling. The worst thing I have ever seen Warmoth send out, I think. Their stuff is usually amazing and when there are flaws, they're usually minor. That thing looks like a toddler got hold of dad's router. If it was me I'd be returning it for a full refund.

 

[e_chord]

I was looking at it last night and when I hold it up to light you can even see light coming through, that's how thin parts of it are.  I'm a little torn since I'm happy with everything else.  I emailed Warmoth and attached those pictures and what I was sent back was praise for how great the body looked and saying that is how the evertune route is supposed to look and completely glossed over the sloppyness of the route.

That being said, everything else about the route seems to line up with the bridge so if people are worried that the route isn't done properly that wasn't the case for me.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

That's really bad customer service. It is clearly not an acceptable piece of woodwork. And if you can see light coming through then it's gonna break one day, no question.

 

[stratamania]

See this post which clarifies the issue.

http://unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=22954.msg339715#msg339715

 

[Cederick]

Oh, that sucks! I guess my next build will be ordering without bridge routing and then save up a buttload of cash for some guy to cut the guitar out for me. hahaha

 

[stubhead]

That does make sense, I'm afraid. Unfortunately there are an awful lot of small manufacturers who start up, often with a great idea, but with a business plan (or lack thereof!) that almost ensures they'll disappear. If they're changing the product around already, it means there was something about it that didn't work right, and they found out about it by selling some - kind of like how "we" test pharmaceuticals and automobiles.

It's tempting to look around, see several million guitar players worldwide and say "this is gonna be easier than spearing guppies in a fishtank!" but if you're not capitalized to lose money for two years, your odds are really, really bad. Unfortunately the media loves to pimp up the unlikely success stories - "Bob & Carol mortgaged their house, borrowed $50,000 from her parents, sold one kidney apiece and now they're millionaires!" EEEEE, EEE! It's GREAT to be an American! But they never show the 80% of these things that fail - now Bob & Carol & her parents are living in the same trailer in the same trailerpark, can't even afford bullets to shoot each other & not a kidney to spare.... :sad1: