effects

[vtpcnk]

i have a couple of song specific effects questions.

1. is there any effect which gives a kind of dual guitar effect. ie if the actual recording had two guitars playing the same part at the same time (saturday night special - lynyrd skynyrd), can a single guitar emulate that with a pedal?

2. martin barre's second solo on jethro tull's 'to cry you a song' - with a kinda ringing feel - what effect is used here?

appreciate the feedback.

 

[Nightclub Dwight]

appreciate the feedback.

For great feedback, I suggest a hollowbody facing a loud tube amp.  It works like a charm!  :icon_jokercolor:

 

[jimh]

i have a couple of song specific effects questions.

1. is there any effect which gives a kind of dual guitar effect. ie if the actual recording had two guitars playing the same part at the same time (saturday night special - lynyrd skynyrd), can a single guitar emulate that with a pedal?

2. martin barre's second solo on jethro tull's 'to cry you a song' - with a kinda ringing feel - what effect is used here?

appreciate the feedback.

Not sure about Question2 as I dont know the song, but for question 1, look for a harmonizer pedal.  Loads of companies make them, Boss, Digitech, Eventide and TCElectronic immediately spring to mind, but I'm sure there plenty of others to choose from.

 

[Mor Paul]

i have a couple of song specific effects questions.

1. is there any effect which gives a kind of dual guitar effect. ie if the actual recording had two guitars playing the same part at the same time (saturday night special - lynyrd skynyrd), can a single guitar emulate that with a pedal?

2. martin barre's second solo on jethro tull's 'to cry you a song' - with a kinda ringing feel - what effect is used here?

appreciate the feedback.

Not sure about Question2 as I dont know the song, but for question 1, look for a harmonizer pedal.  Loads of companies make them, Boss, Digitech, Eventide and TCElectronic immediately spring to mind, but I'm sure there plenty of others to choose from.

Someday, I want to get a delay pedal with separate wet/dry outs, and have them sent to different rigs, so it doesn't match up perfectly, but close enough to be musical.

 

[AndyG]

i have a couple of song specific effects questions.

1. is there any effect which gives a kind of dual guitar effect. ie if the actual recording had two guitars playing the same part at the same time (saturday night special - lynyrd skynyrd), can a single guitar emulate that with a pedal?

2. martin barre's second solo on jethro tull's 'to cry you a song' - with a kinda ringing feel - what effect is used here?

appreciate the feedback.

It's pretty difficult to simulate the sound of 2 guitars playing the same thing with only 1 guitar.  If you ask any 2 guitar players to play the same riff at the same time, no matter how tight they are with each other, there will be minor timing issues between the 2 (delay), minor tuning issues between the 2 (phasing/chorusing), and, unless they are playing the EXACT same rig, minor tonal variations.  That's why doubled guitars sound so huge.

Generally, a chorus pedal (not overdone) will give you a kinda doubled effect ... but if you overdo it, you'll get an early '80's hair-metal type sound.

I'm not familiar with the second tune you mentioned either ... so I'll have to do some listening.

 

[Superlizard]

It's pretty difficult to simulate the sound of 2 guitars playing the same thing with only 1 guitar.  If you ask any 2 guitar players to play the same riff at the same time, no matter how tight they are with each other, there will be minor timing issues between the 2 (delay), minor tuning issues between the 2 (phasing/chorusing), and, unless they are playing the EXACT same rig, minor tonal variations.  That's why doubled guitars sound so huge.

+ 1,000,000

Generally, a chorus pedal (not overdone) will give you a kinda doubled effect ... but if you overdo it, you'll get an early '80's hair-metal type sound.

Yep - a nasty, metallic tone.

 

[AndyG]

i have a couple of song specific effects questions.

2. martin barre's second solo on jethro tull's 'to cry you a song' - with a kinda ringing feel - what effect is used here?

appreciate the feedback.

Found the tune on Youtube.

That second solo is the unmistakeable sound of the guitar (amp) going through a Leslie speaker cabinet.  Not many FX pedals will be able to reproduce that sound.  In case you aren't familiar, the Leslie has 2 rotating speakers, a horn for highs and a bass driver for lows.  It sounds like the horn was miced.

 

[bpmorton777]

Hughes and Kettner Rotospere 2 or the roland/boss RT-20 Rotary Ensemble would do it.

Brian

 

[clearerphish]

Hughes and Kettner Rotospere 2 or the roland/boss RT-20 Rotary Ensemble would do it.

Brian

I use the Boss RT-20 in my rig and find it indispensable. I used to use a phaser a lot but this sounds a lot more...organic I guess is the word. Shortly after integrating this into my rig I sold my phaser.

 

[Return of Guitlouie]

I've used a Boss octave pedal for "seems like two guitar" effects, before.

 

[Patrick from Davis]

A Leslie can sort of be emulated with a chorus going into a stereo pan/tremolo.  Not easy or fun to set up, but it can sort of hack it's way through it.  Leslie still makes units if you have to have the sound.  If you are looking for the vintage ones, the 145/147's are the tube powered beasts that are responsible for a lot of the recordings that use that effect.  They are not cheap...  Good luck figuring it out.
Patrick

 

[vtpcnk]

guys, thanks a lot for all the useful feedback.

i have a marshall regenerator pedal - i will try to use the chorus to see if i can get a reasonable effect of 'saturday night special'. i think the pedal also has some leslie kind of effect - i will try to experiment with it.

i wanted to learn 'to cry you a song' - but then on listening to that multi-layered solos, i have decided not to break my head over it.

i already did that with that cacaphonic three guitar solo for peter green's fleetwood mac's 'oh well!'.

so one more of my favorite songs that i am putting off - atleast for now. likewise i also put a lid on my effort to learn cream's 'politician', where clapton intertwines his solo with overdubbed guitars.

thanks again.

 

[Return of Guitlouie]

I like to take multi guitar solos like those mentioned (Peter Green is one of my all time faves) and arrange them down to one guitar.  It never sounds just like the record, but it is challenging, and rewarding!  Don't give up, get innovative!

 

[vtpcnk]

I like to take multi guitar solos like those mentioned (Peter Green is one of my all time faves) and arrange them down to one guitar.  It never sounds just like the record, but it is challenging, and rewarding!  Don't give up, get innovative!

i did that with pg's 'oh well!" (pg, jeremy spencer and danny kirwan play/interweave the solo one after another or even playing simultaneously). i took the dominant elements out of that solo (moving some notes to other easier/nearer positions for speed) and tried to play it - but yet to get a meaningful/good sounding solo out of it.

btw if you have cracked the other two songs i have mentioned (to cry you a song and politician) meaningfully, pls pass on the tab - i would really appreciate it.

 

[GoDrex]

Well hand guns are made for killin'
They ain't no good for nothin' else
And if you like to drink your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some ole fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me

I had no idea! Learn something new everyday. :laughing7:

 

[Volitions Advocate]

I used 2 amps to simulate that sound.
but boss's newer GT series pedals will let you run parallel effects and still output them mono, I've never tried it but it could kind of give you that sound.