De-angle neck pocket??

[stratamania]

I've noticed this on a number of tremolo style bridges, even without a lot of string. If you put on locking tuners, have a well cut nut, no string strees and locking tuners there is still the bridge and how the string is mounted that doesn't return to zero. In practice after use you tweak the arm to compensate but it does happen.

Lock nuts also mean that the string will dive quicker as it were than on a guitar without.

I don't think any of this is right or wrong and at the end of the day it's down to the player to find what works for the particular guitar.

It's good we have the choices, well apart from there being no 1 5/8" LSR

 

[Cagey]

Why do people think it's "wrong" if I want a Floyd that rests on the body (and with locking nut) while there are a lot of guitarists out there that use it a to like EVH and Kai

I seriously doubt anybody thinks it's "wrong". It's just impractical. Doesn't mean it won't work, just that it's a pain in shorts.

Hopefully, if I'm very lucky, I'll be blessed with the opportunity to spec/build a guitar for you. Perhaps then you'll change you mind. Then, I'll get to brag, because I'll say "Yeah, I worked on one of Cederick's guitars. But, only because I'm a badass  :laughing7:

Please don't misunderstand me - I know the Floyd Rose solution works, and it works well. I also know it's usually foolish to mess with success. But, we're all better off now since the invention of the electric light bulb vs. gas or kerosene lamps, which also work pretty well. Those, in turn, were better than open fires or torches. The vibrato bridge has also been improved a number of times over the years. Floyd's design was ground-breaking. I mean, it was a million miles past anything that existed in the past. But, it has also been improved upon.

Good, reliable and consistent tuning is fairly easily achieved these days. You don't need to carry around a mechanic's tool chest and hire a skilled tech just to change strings. Do what I mentioned earlier, and you're there.

 

[Cederick]

I seriously doubt anybody thinks it's "wrong". It's just impractical. Doesn't mean it won't work, just that it's a pain in shorts.

Hopefully, if I'm very lucky, I'll be blessed with the opportunity to spec/build a guitar for you. Perhaps then you'll change you mind. Then, I'll get to brag, because I'll say "Yeah, I worked on one of Cederick's guitars. But, only because I'm a badass  :laughing7:

Please don't misunderstand me - I know the Floyd Rose solution works, and it works well. I also know it's usually foolish to mess with success. But, we're all better off now since the invention of the electric light bulb vs. gas or kerosene lamps, which also work pretty well. Those, in turn, were better than open fires or torches. The vibrato bridge has also been improved a number of times over the years. Floyd's design was ground-breaking. I mean, it was a million miles past anything that existed in the past. But, it has also been improved upon.

Good, reliable and consistent tuning is fairly easily achieved these days. You don't need to carry around a mechanic's tool chest and hire a skilled tech just to change strings. Do what I mentioned earlier, and you're there.

And please don't misunderstand me, because I also know the non-locking nut works.
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But for me personally, I'm not going to change my mind.  :toothy12:
I really like just screwing on that R4 locking nut and be done with it; no filing and lubing and stuff, just screw it on and play. Maybe a shim is needed but that's just a 5-minute problem to solve.

 

[Cagey]

I've noticed this on a number of tremolo style bridges, even without a lot of string. If you put on locking tuners, have a well cut nut, no string strees and locking tuners there is still the bridge and how the string is mounted that doesn't return to zero. In practice after use you tweak the arm to compensate but it does happen.

I seriously doubt it's the bridge in a case like that. It's simply that the strings stretch and don't return on their own. The metal the strings are made of distorts and lengthens, so you end up a tad flat. There's no compensating for that. Hell, you can see that with your own underpants. Overstretch the waistband, and it's not coming back to where it was.

I build a lotta guitars here and even with those that have Floyds installed don't return to "perfect" if you wank the hell out of them. It's not that the bridge or nut let go, because they're clamped down tight. It's the strings themselves. Relatively speaking, it's a very reliable and repeatable system, but it's not a panacea. Yeah, you can wank and crank for longer before it starts to sound like it needs attention, and at that point you've got the little micro-tuners to goof with and you're back in business. But, it's not magic. Still has to obey the laws of physics.

It's the same way with the more modern setups. They're not perfect, but they're dramatically better than everything that came before them. On the plus side, they're simpler.

 

[line6man]

What advantage is there to a locking nut? I see nothing but disadvantages. They sound bad, require tools to adjust, and prevent tuning changes.

 

[stratamania]

At the end of the day it matters very little why a string doesn't return exactly to where it was at the bridge the point is that it has not returned properly. But if the string is locked at the bridge that point of potentially being out of tune has been eliminated.

I'm not pro Floyd bridges or anti them it's another choice.

 

[Cagey]

What advantage is there to a locking nut? I see nothing but disadvantages. They sound bad, require tools to adjust, and prevent tuning changes.

Back before they invented locking tuners, they kept the strings from unwinding from the tuning pegs during deep dives. Any more, locking nuts don't have a real use.

 

[Neo Fender]

EVH doesn't float his FRs and he's the greatest guitarist he knows.  As a minor aside, I believe a D-Tuna will only do its thing on a non-floating trem

 

[Cederick]

What advantage is there to a locking nut? I see nothing but disadvantages. They sound bad, require tools to adjust, and prevent tuning changes.

The strings NEVER slip. That's why I love them.

If a metal nut sounds bad, wouldn't the FRETS sound bad? Or do you have bone frets? Graphtech frets?  :toothy12: Maybe you go with the zero fret method used on a few guitars, then I get your point.

Regular nuts also require tools to adjust  :doh: actually, if you adjust a regular nut too low for the strings, you gotta get a new nut and start over. With locking nuts it's possible to adjust back and forth eithout risking ruining it (unless you smash it with a hammer or something)

Personally I always play in E standard, with very few exceptions = that's why you can have different guitars in different tunings  :hello2:

If you're going to change tunings during the same song, then a locking nut is not for you, simple as that.

 

[fdesalvo]

It's so sad and perhaps a bit pathetic to see people living in the past, oblivious to updated technology.  Me?  I'm a Tune-o-matic guy.