Clear - Brown burst finish.

[Dolando]

Ah yea I think I misunderstood,it makes sense now. Ill have a watch of some videos. And do a bit more digging. Thanks for that.

When adding colour, when adding more are talking a couple of drops at a time, or like a teaspoon? The clear does change it a little, but looks like it just emphasises the colour you have and just makes the colour pop. And I will find it in the uk, i just wanted to know what I'm looking for, seemed to find a couple of different ones.

Not sure who he was, its someone my brother works with. He goes round loads of schools teaching drums and percussion. It was my 3rd guitar and my first go at a relic, think it came out really well. My brother was really chuffed with it.

Really appreciate the help.

 

[Dolando]

I found this;

http://shop.rothkoandfrost.co.uk/Clear-Gloss-Neat-Nitrocellulose-Lacquer-p/fs5113.htm

Is this the stuff I can add the colour tone to? And they mention about using thinner? Is the necessary?

Also the closest tint they do is this;

http://shop.rothkoandfrost.co.uk/Dark-Brown-Tint-for-Nitrocellulose-Lacquer-100ml-p/fs5138.htm

So I might have to get a tint from stewmac. As I'm after a brown closer to the dark brown on the Eddie van Halen one...well some where in the middle really.

Thanks,

Adam

 

[Scuffcakes]

Don't obsess over the color too much until you can shoot on some test wood.  I got a lot of weird looks when I went walking into Woodcraft carrying my naked LP body so I could match the color of the wood.  Yeah, it'll take some extra time but you'll be happier in the end.

Tonar, don't sell yourself short.  I can't speak for anyone else but I'm thrilled to get advice from someone of YOUR caliber.

 

[Dolando]

Maybe I am getting too bogged down with with colour.  But my main issue is that I'm a little clueless I'm how to mix it to begin with. So I suppose once I know that, I can experiment on some wood.

I appreciate anyone that will go out of their way to
help me out.  So thanks everyone.

 

[swarfrat]

In general music needs words if only to have a pretext/context. I've seen countless virtuosos, many of whom I really love, do an instrumental album that is awful, because its pointless noodling with no hooks.  Quick, name an instrumental that ordinary people can name:

Walk Don't Run
Sleepwalk
Cliffs of Dover

and that's probably it. But they each have hooks, and good ones.

 

[dmraco]

Maybe I am getting too bogged down with with colour.  But my main issue is that I'm a little clueless I'm how to mix it to begin with. So I suppose once I know that, I can experiment on some wood.

I appreciate anyone that will go out of their way to
help me out.  So thanks everyone.

I have always used behlens nitro.  StewMac sells it.  I mix 4 oz at a time for bursts.  I do this is a 3:1 ratio of 3 oz nitro, 1 oz thinner.  I then add the dye.  I use stewmac Liquid stain concentrate.  You do not need much.  I usually put about 1/8th of an oz of stain in the 4 oz of nitro mix.  It goes a long way.  Directions call for 1oz stain per 32 oz of lacquer.  Just keep that ration and you should be OK.

 

[Scuffcakes]

Quick, name an instrumental that ordinary people can name:

You forgot several classics:

The In Crowd
Green Onions
Rock'n'Roll part 2
Classical Gas
and nobody can forget TEQUILA! ( I think it counts cuz there's only one word in the whole song)

 

[Tonar8352]

When I speak of mixing color I am referring to adding dyes to clear lacquer. I do not think the "brown lacquer" is the route you should take.

Get the clear nitrocellulose and then get this dye. It says for mixing in Alcohol which is not the stuff you get at your local Pub but it is referring to Shellac Solvent.  You do not have to use shellac solvent to mix that in only, it can also be mixed into regular lacquer thinner and then added to your clear lacquer. I cannot tell what ratios to use because I have not used that particular dye and I know looking at it looks like there is no way it will make brown but that stuff changes when it is mixed. Mix it in a lacquer thinner first then add it to you lacquer. You can do this but you will have to make some mistakes on test board first.


http://shop.rothkoandfrost.co.uk/Aniline-Dye-Alcohol-Soluble-Brown-p/fs5629.htm

 

[dmraco]

When I speak of mixing color I am referring to adding dyes to clear lacquer. I do not think the "brown lacquer" is the route you should take.

Get the clear nitrocellulose and then get this dye. It says for mixing in Alcohol which is not the stuff you get at your local Pub but it is referring to Shellac Solvent.  You do not have to use shellac solvent to mix that in only, it can also be mixed into regular lacquer thinner and then added to your clear lacquer. I cannot tell what ratios to use because I have not used that particular dye and I know looking at it looks like there is no way it will make brown but that stuff changes when it is mixed. Mix it in a lacquer thinner first then add it to you lacquer. You can do this but you will have to make some mistakes on test board first.


http://shop.rothkoandfrost.co.uk/Aniline-Dye-Alcohol-Soluble-Brown-p/fs5629.htm

Yep.  That is what I do.  Buy a big gallon of lacquer thinner.  You will need it to clean your sprayers, etc.

 

[Dolando]

Sorry for she delay guys, been ice skating with the girlfriend.

Thanks for the help on mixing, I think it's a little clearer now. At least I have a place to start. It's mad own that actually makes a brown? Ad like you said ill just start with. Little and keep adding it until I get the colour I want.

You mentioned behlen but been in their uk site and can't find nitro tins anywhere on the site. Maybe you can point me in the right direction. http://www.behlen.co.uk/

If not then this place seems to be the next best option, So will get this clear coat
http://shop.rothkoandfrost.co.uk/Clear-Gloss-Neat-Nitrocellulose-Lacquer-p/fs5113.ht

Which of these thinners should I use. What's top gloss anti bloom thinner?
http://shop.rothkoandfrost.co.uk/Top-Gloss-Anti-Bloom-Cellulose-Thinners-5-litres-p/fs5248.htm

http://shop.rothkoandfrost.co.uk/Standard-Cellulose-Thinners-5-litres-p/fs5249.htm

Sorry for all the possibly silly questions. It seems like every question you answer opens up a brand new one.

Thanks again.

 

[Tonar8352]

I think they mean by anti-bloom it will help prevent blushing, which is what happens when lacquer is spray in cold high humid conditions.  I suggest you call the manufactures of the lacquer and ask them to steer you toward the correct thinner to use.

Here is a list of things I want you to look up on the internet so you can learn the language of finishing with lacquer. I'm not being a wise guy or picking on you but it will help you a lot. Or buy the Stew Mac Spray Finishing Basics Book which will be quite helpful.

Blushing
Lacquer Thinner
Lacquer Retarder
Acetone
Benzene/Naphtha
Fish eye
Fish eye remover
Crazing/Mirror Cracking
Viscosity
Pre-Catalyzed lacquer
Water White Lacquer
Pigmented Lacquer
Bronzing Powder- Think Gold Tops
Shellac
Sanding Sealer
Air Pressure = PSI /Air Pressure= CFM  What's the difference.
Orange Peel
Finish Craters
Hazing
Flashing off
Conventional Spray Equipment
HVLP Spray Equipment
Airless Spray Equipment
Air and Oil extractor
Level sanding
Wet sanding
Rubbing out
Polishing compounds

That should get you started. Some of the terminologies may be different because we do use some different word in the US compared to the UK but I have found that my very well educated finishing friend from the UK and I can communicate very clearly because we both have a very solid foundation in understanding finishing. And you just wanted to learn about brown!  :laughing7:

 

[Dolando]

Ill give them a call and see what they say. That's great, gives me something to get started on. I actually already know about quite a few on that list so that's a start.

I am tempted to get the laquer and thinner from that uk shop, and then get the tabacco brown colour tone liquid stain from stewmac. I assume they will be compatible? I might also buy that book at the same time, when starting to build I spent a lot of time reading a couple of dan erlewine books, so shall do the same with paint.

Thanks,

Adam

 

[Dolando]

This is what ill be finishing....





Couple more pics on the out of the box post here;

http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=20942.0

 

[dmraco]

very nice. 

You had asked before about a clean masked binding.  With the forearm contour it is a little more challenging, but can be done.  Make sure to shoot several coats of clear first before shooting and color.

Happy grain filling.

 

[Dolando]

Yea still not sure if ill attempt the masked binding, we shall see. Part of me is tempted to leave it it natural looking but still tempted by a slight brown burst though...