Anyone put an Evertune bridge into your Warmoth build?
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ccasion14:I've been installing Evertune bridges for a couple of years now and have installed a few dozen of them, and in all that time I've only had one person complain about tone. I've installed them on quite a few high profile guitars on major stadium tours as well as plenty of pro studio player and well known producers. They all seem to love them, and none of them think it is a solution in search of a problem. How much time do you spend tuning in the studio? Put a dollar figure on it, and it makes sense. If you haven't tried one that was set up correctly, then you don't know what you're missing. It works as advertised, stays in tune under any condition I have tried, seen, or heard about. Set up properly it is virtually transparent as far as bends and vibrato are concerned. Youtube is your friend. I can't wait for the term version. It will kill all comers. Unfortunately, I don't see it coming for a while.
Good for Warmoth for offering the routing for $45. As the OP said, I charge $300-$400 for an install, as it is extensive. If you're doing a clean build then Warmoth is the way to go, not to take business away from myself. :-D
I have gobs of experience with these bridges, so I'll be happy to answer any of your questions. I'm a huge fan of this technology, and I'm JADED as far as guitar gear goes.
And no, I don't work for them.
Good for Warmoth for offering the routing for $45. As the OP said, I charge $300-$400 for an install, as it is extensive. If you're doing a clean build then Warmoth is the way to go, not to take business away from myself. :-D
I have gobs of experience with these bridges, so I'll be happy to answer any of your questions. I'm a huge fan of this technology, and I'm JADED as far as guitar gear goes.
And no, I don't work for them.
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Tuning the guitar up to the point where the spring is almost out of it's limit is where the bends work on this. Problem is, strings tend to go flat with use and not sharp. This is when the evertune does what it is designed to do; applies tension to a string going flat. You don't realize it until you go to bend and there is slack until the spring gets to it's limit again. Instead of retuning, you've replaced it with string/spring limit equilibrium. Before, an out of tune guitar would bend, but be out of tune. Now an intune guitar won't bend. On a conventional guitar without evertune, you have one spot where your guitar is in tune and you can bend. On an evertune bridge, you also have one spot where you're in tune and can bend. It's swapping one problem for another.
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Not so much. Once any decent guitar is in tune it stays pretty close. It takes quite a lot of bending to create some slack. If it does go a little bit slack you might not even notice it, and if you do, just tune the tuner until it goes sharp, then back it off a hair. No tuner needed, and it takes a second, and that's ONLY if it goes slack. I haven't heard any complaints about that particular issue, and I've installed quite a lot of these. I suggest you spend a little more time with one that is set up well. Sounds like the one you tried wasn't set up very well.
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If any decent guitar stays in tune, why do I need the Evertune system at all? Isn't that the premise of the Evertune? Decent guitars don't stay in tune? The one I played was at the Evertune booth at a guitar show. I'd hope they had it set up correctly. But that's my point exactly. In stead of retuning between songs, I've just traded that for finding the sweet spot of the Evertune's functionality. I thought the whole point of the Evertune was not to re-adjust the tuners.
For every one person that has one and swears by it, there are just as many or more that say they don't need it.
I'm interested to see how a trem version would work too. It seems depending on how it was setup, one could only pull up or pull down, but not both.
For every one person that has one and swears by it, there are just as many or more that say they don't need it.
I'm interested to see how a trem version would work too. It seems depending on how it was setup, one could only pull up or pull down, but not both.
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I've tried it.
Hi, I'm new to the forum but I have lurked on here for a couple of years. I joined to post my observations about the Evertune bridge. I recently assembled a Warmoth tele built to my specs using Warmoth parts. I asked if Warmoth could route it for the EverTune bridge. Turns out that they had the templates and it cost me $45.00 which is the standard charge for something that Warmoth doesn't often make or a one off. To compare the cost to the $300 dollars a luthier like Fren Asken charges is an apples to oranges comparison. By the way Fren has been most helpful answering my questions before purchasing the EverTune bridge. Now to the comparison, Warmoth will not route a showcase body or any other body other than a new body you have Warmoth build. The $45.00 is for the route. You still have to install the bridge and set it up. Fren or any other installer on EverTune list of installer will install it in an existing guitar that you own. In addition they will do the installation and setup. The cost is reasonable for the work involved.
I chose to go the Warmoth route because (a) I'm good with tools and have assembled a few Warmoth guitars. BTW, You can see one of my builds under the LPS photo section. It's a sunburst LPS with a spruce top, single neck pickup and an ebony bridge and ebony tailpiece. (2) I only had the video from the web site and other anecdotal comments and I was reluctant to route one of my good guitars for something that might not live up to expectations.
A bit of history, I have been playing since the early 70's, and I own quite a few guitars. I know how to tune a guitar and I know what a truly in-tune guitar sounds like. I play mostly solo jazz but I do like to attend blues and fusion jams and I do bend strings. As far as strings go, my electrics all get strung with D' Addario's pure nickel 10-46, Eb tuned guitars get the same brand in 11's , my archtops get Thomastik Jazz Bebobs 13- 50 and my acoustics get strung with John Pearse. I haven't run across any measurable variation in the D'Addarios I use or for that matter any of the other strings I buy. I have found dead strings, incorrectly manufactured stings e.g. winding loose etc. I am changing strings on some guitar or another every week.
I chose to try out the EverTune because I liked the technology, I liked the idea of being in tune up and down the neck day in day out and I had the money to lose if it turned out to be a dud. After playing this guitar for about two months, I have to say, that the Evertune bridge does exactly what it claims to do. It stays in tune up and down the neck day in day out. In the sun, in the house, from the trunk of your guitar etc. Like I said above, I play in a solo jazz style and complex chord voicings and octaves ring true up and down the neck. I've had this guitar for about two months and changed the string 3 times. Same gauge, same brand. All that was required was minor tweaking after the string change. I stretch all of my strings when I put on a new set on guitar and it's in my opinion one of the keys to keeping a strat in tune so I don't have a lot of additional tweaking with the EverTune. By the way, I also own two Strats with the Blade Runner trem and I'm very pleased with that trem system.
As far as bending goes, on this guitar I have set it up at the upper limits of the bridge i.e. just before it goes sharp or into another zone. I have absolutely no problem bending strings. Folks who say you can't bend strings either haven't played one set up correctly for bending or just haven't played one period.
Now, I will have to say, That I personally wouldn't route out a collectable guitar or any other guitar that I hope to get a reasonable return on my initial out lay but I'd put the Evertune in a Warmoth build again without hesitation.
I chose to go the Warmoth route because (a) I'm good with tools and have assembled a few Warmoth guitars. BTW, You can see one of my builds under the LPS photo section. It's a sunburst LPS with a spruce top, single neck pickup and an ebony bridge and ebony tailpiece. (2) I only had the video from the web site and other anecdotal comments and I was reluctant to route one of my good guitars for something that might not live up to expectations.
A bit of history, I have been playing since the early 70's, and I own quite a few guitars. I know how to tune a guitar and I know what a truly in-tune guitar sounds like. I play mostly solo jazz but I do like to attend blues and fusion jams and I do bend strings. As far as strings go, my electrics all get strung with D' Addario's pure nickel 10-46, Eb tuned guitars get the same brand in 11's , my archtops get Thomastik Jazz Bebobs 13- 50 and my acoustics get strung with John Pearse. I haven't run across any measurable variation in the D'Addarios I use or for that matter any of the other strings I buy. I have found dead strings, incorrectly manufactured stings e.g. winding loose etc. I am changing strings on some guitar or another every week.
I chose to try out the EverTune because I liked the technology, I liked the idea of being in tune up and down the neck day in day out and I had the money to lose if it turned out to be a dud. After playing this guitar for about two months, I have to say, that the Evertune bridge does exactly what it claims to do. It stays in tune up and down the neck day in day out. In the sun, in the house, from the trunk of your guitar etc. Like I said above, I play in a solo jazz style and complex chord voicings and octaves ring true up and down the neck. I've had this guitar for about two months and changed the string 3 times. Same gauge, same brand. All that was required was minor tweaking after the string change. I stretch all of my strings when I put on a new set on guitar and it's in my opinion one of the keys to keeping a strat in tune so I don't have a lot of additional tweaking with the EverTune. By the way, I also own two Strats with the Blade Runner trem and I'm very pleased with that trem system.
As far as bending goes, on this guitar I have set it up at the upper limits of the bridge i.e. just before it goes sharp or into another zone. I have absolutely no problem bending strings. Folks who say you can't bend strings either haven't played one set up correctly for bending or just haven't played one period.
Now, I will have to say, That I personally wouldn't route out a collectable guitar or any other guitar that I hope to get a reasonable return on my initial out lay but I'd put the Evertune in a Warmoth build again without hesitation.
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Ground Hog Day thread? With a big exhale, for the 3rd time, when a string on an Evertune goes flat, the spring compensates, thus keeping it in tune. Still in tune, there is now slack in the mechanism. To fix this, one TURNS THE TUNING MACHINE back to the no slack position.
On a standard instrument, when a string goes flat, one TURNS THE TUNING MACHINE.
One doesn't touch the tuners any more or less.
Bends. In the no slack position on an Evertune, one wouldn't even know it was on there. If there is slack, they aren't impossible, but become unfamiliar. The speaking length has increased but the tension remains the same. Not unlike detuning while bending simultaneously. That is, until it hits the no slack position, then it goes beyoing! Of course this is corrected by TURNING THE TUNING MACHINE.
There were a few other things touched on too. "Stays in tune up the neck", this is a fret placement issue. If tunes open, then capos up the neck, re-tune. The true temperment neck people are banking on it.
Tuning changes caused by extreme temperature and/or humidity changes. I don't know where to begin, but a bridge designed to keep 6 different strings at independent, constant tensions does not account for what the rest of the guitar made out of different materials with different expansion rates does. It wants to keep that string at X tension. Nevermind the scale length changed ever so slightly.
On a standard instrument, when a string goes flat, one TURNS THE TUNING MACHINE.
One doesn't touch the tuners any more or less.
Bends. In the no slack position on an Evertune, one wouldn't even know it was on there. If there is slack, they aren't impossible, but become unfamiliar. The speaking length has increased but the tension remains the same. Not unlike detuning while bending simultaneously. That is, until it hits the no slack position, then it goes beyoing! Of course this is corrected by TURNING THE TUNING MACHINE.
There were a few other things touched on too. "Stays in tune up the neck", this is a fret placement issue. If tunes open, then capos up the neck, re-tune. The true temperment neck people are banking on it.
Tuning changes caused by extreme temperature and/or humidity changes. I don't know where to begin, but a bridge designed to keep 6 different strings at independent, constant tensions does not account for what the rest of the guitar made out of different materials with different expansion rates does. It wants to keep that string at X tension. Nevermind the scale length changed ever so slightly.
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