Another Kahler-question:

[Big V]

Ok, so I know there's been a few threads about the Kahlers, as I did a search... BUT, I want to know which one you guys recommend.
Note; I want one that is easily ordered, best would be from Kahler's site. I'd rather not mess around with too many dealers and such :dontknow:
The one Kahler I have set my eyes upon is the Kahler 2300-series, cause it's easy to order and install.
If I remember correctly, Warmoth does the necessary routing for the Kahler 2300, right?
One thing that annoys me, though, I can't seem to be able to order the black version :dontknow: what's up with that?

 

[AndyG]

There's a website store called Wammi World.  They do not sell the 2300 series (which I believe are now only OEM for manufaturers like ESP ... but I could be wrong).
They sell the 7xxx series, which they call the "hybrid" ... the only difference I see is that it has an allen set-screw that allows you to lock the bridge.

I have one (and it's black, BTW!) that I installed on an Ibanez Destroyer,and it works great!  A very different feel from my Floyd-equipped guitar, for sure, but it is a nice change.

 

[Nando Vallart]

Forget Kahler, it looks weird as things in Chernobyl and is a bit "wooble"...

But is a good bridge, Wammi World is a good seller!

 

[Big V]

Just to be sure: Warmoth is able to do the Kahler Hybryd routing too? I think I've read that it has the same rout as the Hybrid-series :icon_scratch:

 

[Nando Vallart]

Just to be sure: Warmoth is able to do the Kahler Hybryd routing too? I think I've read that it has the same rout as the Hybrid-series :icon_scratch:

I'd better ask them... Get the measures of the serie you want, they'll ask you...

 

[Big V]

I'd better ask them... Get the measures of the serie you want, they'll ask you...

Would this be sufficient?
http://www.wammiworld.com/images/7300%20schem.png
http://www.wammiworld.com/images/7300%20routing%20template.png

 

[Nando Vallart]

From Warmoth website:

"Kahler Tremolo Bridge Rout
The Kahler tremolo bridge does not require a tremolo cavity rout from the back. Warmoth does not sell this bridge though we can rout for it by special order."

http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/Options/BridgeRoutingOptions.aspx

That schematic may work on the chat...

 

[Big V]

From Warmoth website:

"Kahler Tremolo Bridge Rout
The Kahler tremolo bridge does not require a tremolo cavity rout from the back. Warmoth does not sell this bridge though we can rout for it by special order."

http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/Options/BridgeRoutingOptions.aspx

That schematic may work on the chat...

OK, this is going to sound like a real N00B-question... What chat? :icon_scratch:

 

[AndyG]

The Kahler top-mount trems are a one-size-fits-all rout.  The only difference between the models are the way it is attached to the body ... either using 4 wood screws, or the Gibson-style TOM bridge and tailpiece studs.

 

[Nando Vallart]

OK, this is going to sound like a real N00B-question... What chat? :icon_scratch:

The conversation you'll have with Warmoth guys if you want one... as I've posted above, it's only under special order, so you need to talk with them about it...

 

[Big V]

OK, this is going to sound like a real N00B-question... What chat? :icon_scratch:

The conversation you'll have with Warmoth guys if you want one... as I've posted above, it's only under special order, so you need to talk with them about it...

Guess I'll do it via E-mail, then, 'cause I don't wanna pay a ridiculous phone-bill :laughing3:

 

[Nando Vallart]

Man, do it simple, use a Floyd Rose

 

[Big V]

Man, do it simple, use a Floyd Rose

Nope, I've tried a few guitars, both the Floyd Rose Special, and the Floyd Rose Original, and I didn't like 'em.
Also, as this is a custom guitar, I don't have unlimited money, and I want something that stands out, I'm going for a Kahler. Also, :cool01: Kerry King arty07: And Jeff Hannemann :guitarplayer2: Use Kahlers :headbang1:

 

[Cagey]

Nope, I've tried a few guitars, both the Floyd Rose Special, and the Floyd Rose Original, and I didn't like 'em.
Also, as this is a custom guitar, I don't have unlimited money, and I want something that stands out, I'm going for a Kahler. Also, :cool01: Kerry King arty07: And Jeff Hannemann :guitarplayer2: Use Kahlers :headbang1:

If you didn't like the Floyds, I can't imagine how you'd like the Kahlers. They're both overly complicated, heavy, and mind-bendingly frustrating vibratos. Just because Kerry King and Jeff Hannemann use them means nothing. They're professional players with a million hours in who could make petrified dog crap sound good. Don't pay any attention to them.

What you want, if you think you want vibrato capability, is a two-point Wilkinson design. Very simple, very light, easy to maintain, and with locking tuners and an LSR nut you have no problem with tuning. The things spring right back into place like an old shoe. You can practically hang the strings off the neck and pop right back to where you need to be. I've been wondering for years how they keep selling Floyds and Kahlers. The only thing that makes any sense is that there may be an unusual proportion of masochists in the guitar playing world. If someone handed me a Floyd/Kahler equipped guitar for free, the first thing I'd do is put it on eBay.

 

[Big V]

If you didn't like the Floyds, I can't imagine how you'd like the Kahlers. They're both overly complicated, heavy, and mind-bendingly frustrating vibratos. Just because Kerry King and Jeff Hannemann use them means nothing. They're professional players with a million hours in who could make petrified dog crap sound good. Don't pay any attention to them.

What you want, if you think you want vibrato capability, is a two-point Wilkinson design. Very simple, very light, easy to maintain, and with locking tuners and an LSR nut you have no problem with tuning. The things spring right back into place like an old shoe. You can practically hang the strings off the neck and pop right back to where you need to be. I've been wondering for years how they keep selling Floyds and Kahlers. The only thing that makes any sense is that there may be an unusual proportion of masochists in the guitar playing world. If someone handed me a Floyd/Kahler equipped guitar for free, the first thing I'd do is put it on eBay.

But that's another opinion, and, how did the Slayer-guitarists get good with the Kahlers? They used them :icon_tongue:
Also, the Wilk, in my opinion, looks too vintage-strat-ish :toothy11:

 

[Cagey]

But that's another opinion, and, how did the Slayer-guitarists get good with the Kahlers? They used them :icon_tongue:
Also, the Wilk, in my opinion, looks too vintage-strat-ish :toothy11:

I suspect the [famous] guitarists who use them could use anything. They're good. That's why they're famous. And once you're good, equipment doesn't get in your way the way it seems to for us mere mortals. So, somebody [like Kahler] hands them a check for $50K and says "Please don't be seen in public wearing a guitar that doesn't have one of our bridges on it" and Poof! Guys like you are convinced that they're just never going to be able to play like their heros unless they pop for that particular piece of gear. Don't be manipulated by marketing weenies. They don't know jack. They just want your money.

Also, don't put too much stock in how things look. Stevie Ray Vaughn and Jimi Hendrix and a long list of others played guitars that looked like something you wouldn't pick out of the trash. Didn't hurt them any. Being the techno-geek that I am and coming from a long life of hanging around some ridiculously expensive automation in the various automotive and military supplier plants, I really like the look of a Kahler/Floyd bridge. But, the reality of those things is miserable, which is why I don't use them.

 

[Big V]

But that's another opinion, and, how did the Slayer-guitarists get good with the Kahlers? They used them :icon_tongue:
Also, the Wilk, in my opinion, looks too vintage-strat-ish :toothy11:

I suspect the [famous] guitarists who use them could use anything. They're good. That's why they're famous. And once you're good, equipment doesn't get in your way the way it seems to for us mere mortals. So, somebody [like Kahler] hands them a check for $50K and says "Please don't be seen in public wearing a guitar that doesn't have one of our bridges on it" and Poof! Guys like you are convinced that they're just never going to be able to play like their heros unless they pop for that particular piece of gear. Don't be manipulated by marketing weenies. They don't know jack. They just want your money.

Also, don't put too much stock in how things look. Stevie Ray Vaughn and Jimi Hendrix and a long list of others played guitars that looked like something you wouldn't pick out of the trash. Didn't hurt them any. Being the techno-geek that I am and coming from a long life of hanging around some ridiculously expensive automation in the various automotive and military supplier plants, I really like the look of a Kahler/Floyd bridge. But, the reality of those things is miserable, which is why I don't use them.

Looks are very important for me :toothy11:
I've actually gotten quite a few comments on my vanity :laughing7:
I want a big, chunky piece of metal on top of my guitar, and I want no tremolo back-cavity = Kahler
And again, what you're saying, is your opinion :icon_tongue: I've heard a lot of good stuff and bad stuff about all bridges, so I just want to take the one which appeals the most to me :icon_thumright:

 

[Nando Vallart]

Looks are very important for me :toothy11:

This means Kahler is out :laughing7: It's the ugliest bridge ever!!!

 

[Cagey]

Looks are very important for me :toothy11:

This means Kahler is out :laughing7: It's the ugliest bridge ever!!!

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. They're appealing, in an overblown mechanistic sort of way, if you appreciate the "steampunk" look.

But, they're also a major-league pain in the ass, which is why I'm surprised anybody uses them.

 

[Big V]

It seems like someone here wouldn't like it if I built a Kahler-equipped-guitar,no?