All Men Are NOT Created Equal
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Max said:
I'd swear Max's plan is to befriend all of us here and one by one, as we get older, we all change our Wills to bequeath him our guitars!
(btw Max, I still have my custom acoustic....and I got my Tele working yesterday - Guild Humbucker now installed, the Trashy is up and running and the Strat is now renovated and strung up....)
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I've got foil hats older than these kids.
The problem with the kid protegies is that they grow up. Often, their technique is there, but not their own style.
The problem with the kid protegies is that they grow up. Often, their technique is there, but not their own style.
I play guitar because I love to do it, I'm not in competition with anyone. If I loved to run, I wouldn't worry about the Olympics. Go ahead and quit, though - your television needs you. :evil4: In the case of all these kids, I'd like to hear what kind of music their father plays... completely different? That little blues kid even had to remember his rehearsed line about how he "loves to play" more than anything, and his playing sounded memorized.
In the mid-to-latter part of the 20th century, the classical music world was taken over by east and middle European Jewish musicians, and they came entirely from families of professionals. The parent(s) played in wedding and other commercial bands, and because of klezmer music there was a very high percentage of violinists:
Isaac Stern recalls in his autobiography that he could read music before he could read or write Yiddish, English or Russian, and before he could tie his own shoes he was practicing 6 hours a day. The parents absolutely (and rightfully) saw their kid's talents as their only hope for getting out of the Jewish ghettos of Czechoslovakia, the Ukraine, Slovakia, Slovenia, Poland... they did NOT have a good life, Adolph Hitler didn't invent prejudice, he just used it.
It might be worth questioning what sort of future were these guitar prodigy's parents planning on.... though I must say anything that can keep people away from the evil one-eyed monster in the living room is a good thing.
In the mid-to-latter part of the 20th century, the classical music world was taken over by east and middle European Jewish musicians, and they came entirely from families of professionals. The parent(s) played in wedding and other commercial bands, and because of klezmer music there was a very high percentage of violinists:
- http://www.jinfo.org/Music.html
Isaac Stern recalls in his autobiography that he could read music before he could read or write Yiddish, English or Russian, and before he could tie his own shoes he was practicing 6 hours a day. The parents absolutely (and rightfully) saw their kid's talents as their only hope for getting out of the Jewish ghettos of Czechoslovakia, the Ukraine, Slovakia, Slovenia, Poland... they did NOT have a good life, Adolph Hitler didn't invent prejudice, he just used it.
It might be worth questioning what sort of future were these guitar prodigy's parents planning on.... though I must say anything that can keep people away from the evil one-eyed monster in the living room is a good thing.
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It's also been long established that Jewish people are involved in show business generally. Hollywood would not have been as grand as it became without the Jewish influence. So too was the British Vaudeville scene in the early 20th Century. It isn't coincidence that the famed Abbey Road Studios in London are just up the road from a very gentile and Jewish section of London either. It was this proliferation of Jewish people into the entertainment business that made Charlie Chaplin make the film "The Great Dictator" as he felt that there were too many Nazi sympathisers in Hollywood at the time (pre US involvement in WW2) and he felt he owed it to his many Jewish friends within that industry to parody the obvious prejudices and meglomania of Hitler.
Lots of kids follow their parents into the same profession. Not all of them are Jewish.
The prodigies' parents can often be faulted for forcing kids into a servitude of providing for the whole family and getting them out of ghettos etc. That is if they are successful.
But really, if you see a kid with potential, someone who can play an instrument really well, or play some sports really well, as a parent you want to give them the best opportunity to succeed? Anything less might be viewed as a denial of opportunity, particularly in the eyes of those who have had a lot more denied them over the years.
Often tho, kids have no idea what they want to do......guidance is necessary, how far that 'guidance' goes is often the moot point.
To many a kid, picking up Dad's guitar and strumming it is a bit of fun, playtime to them. They are often mimicking Dad doing that, they are having a laugh doing that. Playing grown up I guess as they often see Dad play the guitar and be all serious making funny noises! But beyond that, the kids have no idea. You suggest lessons, they'll probably think it's cool til they have to spend time practicing instead of hanging out with their buddies. Then it becomes more like school - all serious stuff.
I dunno how parents handle that situation from there, I have no kids of my own (or at least I have no woman game enough to own up to sleeping with me, lol :laughing7: ). But I have seen one of my friends give his daughter the best opportunity to success in a sport, travelling all over the State and spending a lot of time and money on her alone, only to have her, after two years of rep football, ask to tone it down to just playing with her friends in the local comp. And as any good parent he took it in his stride, but he was quietly a bit miffed she had turned away from something promising.
Lots of kids follow their parents into the same profession. Not all of them are Jewish.
The prodigies' parents can often be faulted for forcing kids into a servitude of providing for the whole family and getting them out of ghettos etc. That is if they are successful.
But really, if you see a kid with potential, someone who can play an instrument really well, or play some sports really well, as a parent you want to give them the best opportunity to succeed? Anything less might be viewed as a denial of opportunity, particularly in the eyes of those who have had a lot more denied them over the years.
Often tho, kids have no idea what they want to do......guidance is necessary, how far that 'guidance' goes is often the moot point.
To many a kid, picking up Dad's guitar and strumming it is a bit of fun, playtime to them. They are often mimicking Dad doing that, they are having a laugh doing that. Playing grown up I guess as they often see Dad play the guitar and be all serious making funny noises! But beyond that, the kids have no idea. You suggest lessons, they'll probably think it's cool til they have to spend time practicing instead of hanging out with their buddies. Then it becomes more like school - all serious stuff.
I dunno how parents handle that situation from there, I have no kids of my own (or at least I have no woman game enough to own up to sleeping with me, lol :laughing7: ). But I have seen one of my friends give his daughter the best opportunity to success in a sport, travelling all over the State and spending a lot of time and money on her alone, only to have her, after two years of rep football, ask to tone it down to just playing with her friends in the local comp. And as any good parent he took it in his stride, but he was quietly a bit miffed she had turned away from something promising.
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OzziePete said:
We need a Chaplin for our own times... and not for nazi sympathizers, but other sympathizers.
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Superlizard said:
Emulation/Software sympathisers against the purity of T00bs eh, SL? :icon_thumright:
I don't think it has to do with any specific nationality or race or such - I'm just saying there's a strong pattern of "child prodigies" who really didn't have much of a choice - Amadeus Mozart had a "stage father", for Ludwig's sakes. Tiger Woods, who had his own way of dealing with the strange feeling of having fulfilled his father's dream... Liza Minelli, Carrie Fisher... In the mid-forties, the same thing happened to American jazz as was happening to classical music, except the colors and ghettos were in different places. When a really smart little black kid in Harlem, and his parents, looked around and noticed that there was virtually no chance of him becoming a senator or lawyer or doctor or fighter pilot - even, not a fireman or policeman, not in 1940's New York - he's gonna hit that saxophone with a vengeance.
Good musicians can pop up anywhere, but to me there seems to exist a strong correlation between poverty (or at least "class frustration") and the great ones. So again, I'd have to hear their daddies play before proclaiming them geniuses. Serbian guitarist Ana Popovic flat out says she's playing her daddy's music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPqchOVgQyA
Good musicians can pop up anywhere, but to me there seems to exist a strong correlation between poverty (or at least "class frustration") and the great ones. So again, I'd have to hear their daddies play before proclaiming them geniuses. Serbian guitarist Ana Popovic flat out says she's playing her daddy's music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPqchOVgQyA
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Yeah you are right on those points Stubhead, but often, too, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
Kids growing up will often emulate one of their parents, it's a comfortable thing for them to do. And a lot of first hand experience & dinner table talk, seeing what's involved in that profession, helps prepare them for the job too.
On the issue of being forced to follow their parents, falling short of reporting the parents to Child Services if you see that happening, it's pretty hard to detect that other than what you suggest by seeing the parents play and how much the kids are forced to follow. But how often do you see a kid clam up in public under the spotlight and the parents put words into their mouths, to help them out?
Kids growing up will often emulate one of their parents, it's a comfortable thing for them to do. And a lot of first hand experience & dinner table talk, seeing what's involved in that profession, helps prepare them for the job too.
On the issue of being forced to follow their parents, falling short of reporting the parents to Child Services if you see that happening, it's pretty hard to detect that other than what you suggest by seeing the parents play and how much the kids are forced to follow. But how often do you see a kid clam up in public under the spotlight and the parents put words into their mouths, to help them out?
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