Man all of this self medicating and I'm smarter than the doctor talk is really concerning to me. These are very serious medical conditions and take time to get under control. Sometimes meds work and sometimes they don't. Unfortunately there is a lot of trial and error involved. Leaving these conditions untreated and having the I can just deal with it attitude can cause a lot of pain for a lot of people (physical and emotional). People can get hurt. It takes time to find the right doctor and the right regimen. I know it's a difficult process to go through but when it is sucessful it is worth it. Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean nothing will. There are options and all meds aren't evil. Of course there are going to be side effects. The key is finding ones that you can cope with. It is a give and take. I work with this stuff everyday. It can get brutal but it can also become manageable.
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I agree with stubhead, Diet is huge, and I don't pretend to know anything about how the mind works, hell mine only works half the time.
Theres millions of people out there dealing with all sorts of issues that could be fixed with diet.
I had a sinus condition all my life, where I could only breath through one side of my nose or the other never both, because of sinus swelling, at the age of 40 I went to an alergy specialist and found out i was alergic to peanuts.
Peanuts? I love peanuts and had been eating them by the bag or in snickers bars for as long as I could remember, I stopped eating them and My lifelong problem ( one of them) went away.
Now before you naysayers jump my ass and tell me I know nothing about mental disorders, I already know that, I'm just throwing this out there to help a Brother out, it's cheap to at least investigate the diet option.
Theres millions of people out there dealing with all sorts of issues that could be fixed with diet.
I had a sinus condition all my life, where I could only breath through one side of my nose or the other never both, because of sinus swelling, at the age of 40 I went to an alergy specialist and found out i was alergic to peanuts.
Peanuts? I love peanuts and had been eating them by the bag or in snickers bars for as long as I could remember, I stopped eating them and My lifelong problem ( one of them) went away.
Now before you naysayers jump my ass and tell me I know nothing about mental disorders, I already know that, I'm just throwing this out there to help a Brother out, it's cheap to at least investigate the diet option.
Perhaps you're misreading what people are saying.pabloman said:
I made an informed choice to not be medicated. Other people may choose to take medications, like my grandmother.
She has had a ton of meds tried out, and other treatments tested, and we've gotten her to a functioning state.
I could function pretty well with my situation.
For these emotion/mental based conditions, some need to be medicated. Even then, the medication is a tool, not the final answer most of the time.
Of course, it goes without saying I'm not a doctor, I'm just some interwebs kid, but my time around people, and more importantly, time around myself, has taught me this much.
When you read about doctors prescribing Prozac and Ritalin to four-year-old children because they're running around, annoying mommy, it's clear that something is amiss. The three big interacting aspects, as I see it, are the belief that medications already exist that will make everything perfect and the drug company's incredibly good job of reinforcing this can-do idea; second, the ridiculous time pressure put on doctors to make a diagnosis and "treat" the patient; and third, the inevitable fallibility of humans, doctors being human too.
Have you ever had a dead battery in your car? How many times did you turn the key, waiting for it to spark? Once? Twice? No, you kept cranking away, not believing your own senses could be wrong... and when a doctor makes a whizzy diagnosis and 25mg of amitriptyline does nothing, and 50 mg does nothing, the natural, human tendency is to try 100mg. If you went in to see a doctor and you only had fifteen minutes to tell him everything bad that had ever happened to you (in fifteen minutes), with no way for him to evaluate that against everything else going on in your life, what would he do? If he was a carpenter, he'd hit you with his hammer, and if he's a psychiatrist, his hammer is drugs..... and in America, we can fix everything that's wrong! We just need the right hammer! They had G on two separate anti-psychotics, so strong his hair fell out? Not right, a doctor shouldn't have to use that as a diagnostic tool. I admit, I have a dog in the fight - my sister went into treatment for bipolar disorder back in the dark 1980's, and she now has "tardive dyskinesia."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardive_dyskinesia
What "tardive dyskinesia" is, is a name that doctors made up to obviate or obscure the fact that they had doled out medicine so strong it's caused permanent neurological damage. If your neighbor whacked you with a dead squirrel and forever after you vibrated like a Parkinson's disease sufferer, you'd be mad at your neighbor, or at least the squirrel, right? That's what people with tardive dyskinesia do, shake and shake and shake. The doctors treating my sister meant well - but if she had a choice, she wouldn't have been so trusting in their "knowledge." Again, I feel as a bottom line, anti-psychotics should be used for one thing and one thing only, at least until each one is proven safe.
The "off-label" prescribing of drugs has gotten so ridiculous that it's actually the drug companies that are inventing new diseases just to use up their products. Nobody - but NOBODY, except readers of obscure journals - had ever heard of "restless leg syndrome" until GlaxoSmithKline got a bug up their butt to crank up the sales of Requip. If you do some research on the marketing of pharmaceuticals, including the doctor's educational seminars at golf resorts in the Caribbean and the "honorariums" (AKA "bribes") they get paid for pushing off-label dope, you may be rather shocked at the amazing lack of ethics.
I don't mind the off-topicness if it's helpful.... it's a scary world, you know? I'm certainly not anti-medicine, I take several, but what I am saying is that if you want the best, most informed treatment for any old thing, it's YOU who needs to get as informed as you possibly can, because the doctors just don't have the time anymore. And they don't like it either, they're caught in the jaws of the same insurance co. monster as we are.
Have you ever had a dead battery in your car? How many times did you turn the key, waiting for it to spark? Once? Twice? No, you kept cranking away, not believing your own senses could be wrong... and when a doctor makes a whizzy diagnosis and 25mg of amitriptyline does nothing, and 50 mg does nothing, the natural, human tendency is to try 100mg. If you went in to see a doctor and you only had fifteen minutes to tell him everything bad that had ever happened to you (in fifteen minutes), with no way for him to evaluate that against everything else going on in your life, what would he do? If he was a carpenter, he'd hit you with his hammer, and if he's a psychiatrist, his hammer is drugs..... and in America, we can fix everything that's wrong! We just need the right hammer! They had G on two separate anti-psychotics, so strong his hair fell out? Not right, a doctor shouldn't have to use that as a diagnostic tool. I admit, I have a dog in the fight - my sister went into treatment for bipolar disorder back in the dark 1980's, and she now has "tardive dyskinesia."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardive_dyskinesia
What "tardive dyskinesia" is, is a name that doctors made up to obviate or obscure the fact that they had doled out medicine so strong it's caused permanent neurological damage. If your neighbor whacked you with a dead squirrel and forever after you vibrated like a Parkinson's disease sufferer, you'd be mad at your neighbor, or at least the squirrel, right? That's what people with tardive dyskinesia do, shake and shake and shake. The doctors treating my sister meant well - but if she had a choice, she wouldn't have been so trusting in their "knowledge." Again, I feel as a bottom line, anti-psychotics should be used for one thing and one thing only, at least until each one is proven safe.
The "off-label" prescribing of drugs has gotten so ridiculous that it's actually the drug companies that are inventing new diseases just to use up their products. Nobody - but NOBODY, except readers of obscure journals - had ever heard of "restless leg syndrome" until GlaxoSmithKline got a bug up their butt to crank up the sales of Requip. If you do some research on the marketing of pharmaceuticals, including the doctor's educational seminars at golf resorts in the Caribbean and the "honorariums" (AKA "bribes") they get paid for pushing off-label dope, you may be rather shocked at the amazing lack of ethics.
I don't mind the off-topicness if it's helpful.... it's a scary world, you know? I'm certainly not anti-medicine, I take several, but what I am saying is that if you want the best, most informed treatment for any old thing, it's YOU who needs to get as informed as you possibly can, because the doctors just don't have the time anymore. And they don't like it either, they're caught in the jaws of the same insurance co. monster as we are.
stubhead said:
yeah we went off topic a bit but thank you for the information, i started thinking about medicine and over prescribed drugs that target the brain and neurological system and next thing i know im writing a diatribe of my life. but yes yeah for warmoth!
Patrick from Davis said:
im not sure if i have been tested for that, if it is a blood test there is almost a certainty that i have, i've been tested for a lot of thing in my blood literally dozens of times and they never tel me what they are testing for. on one had when i was looking at the symptoms it says 10 or more on the list is a good chance/near certainty of candida so i went down the list and stopped counting at 25. some of those things can be explained away but that's a good number of symptoms. on the other hand none of those symptoms are really specific to anything, almost every chronic disease i have ever looked into has a near identical set of symptoms. then i did the spit test and now im a little more intrigued. ill bring it up when i go to the doctors.
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hey im not saying ian should or should not take medication, im not saying i know more than the doctors, im saying there may be a perfectly good reason not to use medication be it physical effect, or a bad insurance plan or lack there of or whatever and that i can relate to medication that has a negative effect..
but yes you make a valid point, not listening to doctors isn't a great idea generally. my military doctors werent that good, they get into a groove of treating depresion in the airforce and suddenly everything looks like depression even the few symptoms that dont. they use the same drugs to treat pain, sleep deprivation, help quit smoking, and other thing, im not sure there vocabulary extends beyond motrin and various names for seritonin reuptake inhibitors. my va doctor is very good, i aknowledge that, but the coarse of treatment doesn't work for me. i tried it, i lstened to the doctor and didn't have great results. i am considering going back to see if we can persue the other problems, his origonal opinion was to treat what he could see in the test and see if the others are connected but i think that persuing the hypothyroidism will take years and evenually end in me not having a thyroid and im not willing to take that step right now in my life, and maybe if the other problems are treatable i can be more active and my thyroid will right itself.
TD is absolutely horrible. I have some older clients that have it. That and the thorazine shuffle. Just so you guys know I fight the fight for my residents all the time. I am in no way condoning improper med prescribing. I just have seen a lot more good than bad with my clients.
Glad to be back, and inspiring a constructive conversation it seems! I've been spending less time on the internet lately so expect less frequent comments from me this time around.
Other updates, I'm getting married 5/13/11 to my girlfriend of a little over four years, and then we're moving from Kansas City to Phoenix... because I got the call from Roberto-Venn today that I was accepted to the fall 2011 program.
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Other updates, I'm getting married 5/13/11 to my girlfriend of a little over four years, and then we're moving from Kansas City to Phoenix... because I got the call from Roberto-Venn today that I was accepted to the fall 2011 program.
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Welcome back kG! I'm on a break right now but it's good to hear you feel better and things are working out for you. Congrats on the wedding thing!
Interesting discussion you have caused here. I had a period of depression that started about ten years ago. It took until about 2005 before I could consider myself well again, but I was a very different person then. A better and happier person certainly, but I can't say I'm glad or grateful for all that pain. No medication, only a caring family, time and some therapy.
Interesting discussion you have caused here. I had a period of depression that started about ten years ago. It took until about 2005 before I could consider myself well again, but I was a very different person then. A better and happier person certainly, but I can't say I'm glad or grateful for all that pain. No medication, only a caring family, time and some therapy.
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knucklehead G said:
Dude! That's my birthday, and congrats!
God, Drugs for mental/emotional/Personality disorders.
When I was 14 It was ADHD, then Depression, then Bipolar. they just kept throwing a slew of various drugs at me trying to get me to act "Normal"
Now, I'm 25 and I know I am an Obsessive Compulsive with a personality disorder. but drugs don't do a damned thing.
its really fun trying to hold down a Job. I am easily the hardest working, cleanest and most efficient worker any place has. but I never lie and I never cover for others. so I make no Friends and get booted pretty quickly.
I'm on job 15 in 3 years. I don't make enough to eat. and I've actually been stealing snacks from work just so I don't pass out.
I get the hell that these diseases can wreak on a life. I never had issue with you. so there is nothing for me to forgive. but, I know where you come from.
When I was 14 It was ADHD, then Depression, then Bipolar. they just kept throwing a slew of various drugs at me trying to get me to act "Normal"
Now, I'm 25 and I know I am an Obsessive Compulsive with a personality disorder. but drugs don't do a damned thing.
its really fun trying to hold down a Job. I am easily the hardest working, cleanest and most efficient worker any place has. but I never lie and I never cover for others. so I make no Friends and get booted pretty quickly.
I'm on job 15 in 3 years. I don't make enough to eat. and I've actually been stealing snacks from work just so I don't pass out.
I get the hell that these diseases can wreak on a life. I never had issue with you. so there is nothing for me to forgive. but, I know where you come from.
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Just glad you're back, and thank you for being so open and honest about your struggles.
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It takes courage to open yourself up to scrutiny and, frankly, to admit you made mistakes and apologize. Welcome back!
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I wasn't sure what to say... Selling that bass was a really d!ck move, but I also have my own share of problems and can understand you!!
Take care of yourself and welcome back!
Take care of yourself and welcome back!
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+1.
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I must have missed the whole ordeal, I knew someone left I just was wondering where you have been and didn't know it was you. It is the hardest times that teach you the most about yourself and form who you are as a person. You might think you aren't a healthy person, but to have that kind of insight about yourself is truely amazing. Here's to keeping things on the up and up. 
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