24.75" Scale Conversion neck - fretboard overhang

[NiceFirmHandshake]

I'm planning on ordering a 24.75" Scale conversion neck but I can't find anything about the size of the fretboard overhang, which could be an issue for me. I can see that the standard 25.5" necks have a 1/4" 22 fret overhang (right?) but the 24.75" fretboard is clearly a different shape.
Any help is appreciated, many thanks!

 

[Fat Pete]

Yep, it's a little longer ~ 3/8".

 

[rgand]

The fretboard extension on the 24-3/4" conversion necks is square across the end even though the neck may have a rounded heel, if that makes any difference for your situation. On the 25-1/2" necks it is rounded.

 

[NiceFirmHandshake]

Thanks Pete! How do you know, do you own one?
Rgand, yeah it’s square to look more LP-like I suppose. Wish they made the 24.75” necks with 21 frets and no overhang tbh

 

[rgand]

Thanks Pete! How do you know, do you own one?
Rgand, yeah it’s square to look more LP-like I suppose. Wish they made the 24.75” necks with 21 frets and no overhang tbh

I agree on that. That's not an option. I asked. I'd be happier with a curved overhang, too, but that isn't an option, either. They're fine necks and after the warranty runs out, you can round the corners to help the looks some.

 

[Fat Pete]

Thanks Pete! How do you know, do you own one?...

You're welcome. Yes, I own one, 2 in fact (and I previously had another) The neck on the red Tele in my sig isn't attached right now, so I measured it - metric ruler, looked like 9.5 mm, so close enough to 3/8" for jazz - possibly for some other styles too.

 

[stratamania]

You could always remove the overhang. It would probably invalidate any warranty if you did so.

Just curious though what the possible issue of the overhang is?

 

[NiceFirmHandshake]

Pete that information is so valuable, you have no idea - this is the only place online where I've managed to source that.
Stratamania the issue is that I've only got 11mm between the neck heel and my neck pup route, and the neck pup will be mounted in a ring as the guitar has no pickguard. If I really want a conversion neck, I may just cut that section out of the pup ring.
On a side note, do you guys think the overhang will look bad with no pickguard to fill the gap underneath it? At this point a 21 fret 25.5" scale neck is looking like the best option which is a massive shame.

 

[Fat Pete]

At the risk of sounding glib, you'll be fine. Mount the neck before the pickup ring - that 1/16" or so is plenty of room. Don't forget that the pickup routing is necessarily bigger than a pickup so there is some wiggle room.

Warmoth do make these things with some idea of what people might want to do with them!

I don't think the body to fingerboard gap is a major issue - even if you're not using a pickguard, you will have a pickup ring butted up against the 'board end, so only the sides will show and what's an eighth of an inch between friends? If it really bothers you, maybe check out the '.720 mod'.

 

[NiceFirmHandshake]

Haha okay thanks man. I don't have the body atm as a friend is spraying it for me, but once I've got it back I'll see how near the bridge I can mount the neck pup in the route. I'm sure you're right about the gap too, especially if I can line the end of the board up nicely with the pup ring. I've had this body for ages and I wasn't planning on getting a 24.75" neck at the time, otherwise I would have considered the 720 mod. You're funny man, thanks again. I'll keep this thread updated.

 

[rgand]

You could always remove the overhang. It would probably invalidate any warranty if you did so.

Just curious though what the possible issue of the overhang is?

Just for the heck of it, I checked this on my neck this afternoon. It could be done easily but, yes, it does invalidate the warranty. I may think about this one of these days myself, since I do things that invalidate that anyway. I don't have an issue with the overhang other than it's rather unsightly cut straight across with square corners. It would be fine on a guitar with straight lines and sharp corners but most guitars are more flowing in appearance than that. The overhang isn't enough to interfere with a neck pickup.

 

[stratamania]

I see the thread moved on since I logged off. I think you will be fine with the overhang and pickup ring.

 

[NiceFirmHandshake]

I would like to get rid of the overhang, but I don't really have the tools or experience in woodwork to pull that off. I know it's because Les Pauls always had 22 frets and square boards, but just because I want my F-style guitar to have a Gibson scale length doesn't mean I want to emulate the looks too - it's just a nice scale length. aanyway.

I think you will be fine with the overhang and pickup ring.

Thanks. I'm sure you guys can see why I'm worried with only having 11mm before the pickup route, and the overhang being 9.5mm. Anyway, it sounds like I'll be okay, I'll do some more experimenting once the body is back in my hands!

 

[Fat Pete]

FWIW I think Warmoth opted for the square fingerboard end because there isn't room for the traditional 1/2" round corners and decided that 'different' was safer than 'wrong'. Rgand and others have proved that a smaller rounding can look great. If you're ordering an unfinished/'raw' neck (you wouldn't regret it), that really wouldn't be much of a DIY job - some sandpaper and a block would do it in a couple of minutes.

If you have access to a luthier/tech, or really any woodworker with the necessary tools, it would be a quick job to remove the overhang completely. The 22nd fret is completely on the overhang (unlike on a 25.5" scale neck) so you could just saw it off and neaten it up with a bearing guided bit in a router. Again, only if it's unfinished.

[edit] I wish I'd thought of this when I was putting my 'Scimitar 6' Musiclander together  :doh:

 

[NiceFirmHandshake]

there isn't room for the traditional 1/2" round corners and decided that 'different' was safer than 'wrong'.

When you say there isn't room, do you mean the overhang isn't long enough for them to round the corners? If so, I understand. Yeah I'm sure you're right about the DIY job tbh. I don't plan on ordering a raw neck though, because I want the gloss/vintage tint and having this applied out the factory is probably the cheapest/best way for me to get this.
I don't really mind the square overhang as long as it doesn't cause any problems, (infact I think it will look decent with a pickup ring against the edge like on a LP) I just think it would be great if they offered a standard 21 fret option too.