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1-5/8 Nut Width: ruined for life

fdesalvo

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I don’t often post in this sub forum, but I need to broadcast this far and not so wide (honk honk!).

I currently have 3 warmoths on my guitar stand.  2 of them now have unplayable necks.  Just now!  How? After 28 years of guitarrin’ and 18 years after being turned off to the 1-5/8” nut width on my musicman silhouette special, I decided to take a gamble on a warmoth with the narrow width.

Not only is the nut width not at all cramped as I remembered, it’s completely spoiled me and ruined the feel of my other two guitars, which I LOVED.

I played the new one for a week straight and picked up the others and was shocked at how blocky and broad the 1-11/16” necks felt.  I had no issues with them prior.

My new one and oldest have 59 carves. The middle child has a standard thin.  The narrow nut width changes the feel of the contour entirely and makes the edges of the fretboard disappear. On the wider necks, i notice the square edges and they are intrusive. Always had to round them over and still, no joy.

I’m eager to see what the standard thin in the narrow width feels like. I love the 59 in it. So much less of a handful it seems and stil has the big wood tone.

Negatives? If I let my fingernails grow a mm, I notice down at the nut. My fingers make straighter paths to the strings there and there’s contact with the board.  That’s nothing a quick trim can’t address.

Looking back, it turns out the only thing I really hated about the musicman was the vintage fret wire.  The joys of a dense mind.
 
I've always been able to feel the difference, even though it's incredibly small. Sure, I can play 1-11/16", but the 1-5/8" is just more comfortable for my small hands.
 
I have people hassle me all the time about "feeling" the difference between a 1 11/16" and a 1 5/8". I don't have small hands, but they are not huge either. i grew up playing a '73 Tele Deluxe that had a crazy small neck. 1.55" at the nut. Soon all of my guitars minus my Ibanez, will be 1 5/8" and I won't be looking back. Warmoth has made it a little too easy to build the guitar of my exact specifications. I'm going to go broke.
 
My old Fujigen Tele has a 1-5/8" nut. I'll have to string it up and give it a try again. Of course, I'm not sure I want to ruin all my other necks... :icon_biggrin:
 
I prefer 1 5/8" also. Although a couple of necks I have now are 1 11/16' for the LSR nut. I find I tend towards different techniques for the different necks.
 
Bikertrash2001 said:
I'm going to go broke.

You must have some accounts you haven't emptied yet. Maybe some old savings accounts from when you were a kid? Or a vacation savings accounts?

You can always take a loan from you 401k.

Does your grandma have any money she can loan you?

Rewards dollars on your credit card?

Recycling aluminum cans?

Donate plasma?


C'mon man...get creative!
 
stratamania said:
I prefer 1 5/8" also. Although a couple of necks I have now are 1 11/16' for the LSR nut. I find I tend towards different techniques for the different necks.

I’d be all over a 1-5/8 lsr nut. That’ll be the day.
 
Funny you should mention this, because I just recently reintroduced myself to the 1 5/8" neck as well.  When I first started playing, I had a lot of Kramers (which were nearly all 1 5/8" R2 necks).  Then I moved on to playing more Jackson/Charvel (1 11/16" R3/R4) and pretty much stayed with that neck width to this day.  Well, I picked up an old Kramer Focus 3000 in a pawn shop about a month ago and it reminded me of just how nice those 1 5/8" necks were. 

I may be going back to more 1 5/8" necks myself in the future. 
 
The Aaron said:
Bikertrash2001 said:
I'm going to go broke.

You must have some accounts you haven't emptied yet. Maybe some old savings accounts from when you were a kid? Or a vacation savings accounts?

You can always take a loan from you 401k.

Does your grandma have any money she can loan you?

Rewards dollars on your credit card?

Recycling aluminum cans?

Donate plasma?


C'mon man...get creative!
Post of the month!
 
fdesalvo said:
stratamania said:
I prefer 1 5/8" also. Although a couple of necks I have now are 1 11/16' for the LSR nut. I find I tend towards different techniques for the different necks.

I’d be all over a 1-5/8 lsr nut. That’ll be the day.

I've only found it for something like $50 in the US, but ABM makes a 1-5/8" roller nut:
https://abm-guitarpartsshop.com/ABM-GUITAR-PARTS/Accessories/Nuts/Roller-Nuts/ABM-7020c-Chrome::332.html?MODsid=54c7e6c7356680009229235bf6e4625a
 
swarfrat said:
fdesalvo said:
stratamania said:
I prefer 1 5/8" also. Although a couple of necks I have now are 1 11/16' for the LSR nut. I find I tend towards different techniques for the different necks.

I’d be all over a 1-5/8 lsr nut. That’ll be the day.

I've only found it for something like $50 in the US, but ABM makes a 1-5/8" roller nut:
https://abm-guitarpartsshop.com/ABM-GUITAR-PARTS/Accessories/Nuts/Roller-Nuts/ABM-7020c-Chrome::332.html?MODsid=54c7e6c7356680009229235bf6e4625a

Thanks swarfrat. I have seen those but have come across mixed reviews so decided in the end to go with the LSR.
 
Howdy Frank. I went with the 1 5/8 when I started getting into the Boatneck profile, figuring slightly more narrow would work well with the greater depth in hand. It did. I prefer 1 5/8 now but have two guitars with 1 11/16, one with the Clapton V and one with a USACG .87 soft V. It feels wider in comparison but fortunately I can function with either. The 1 5/8 is not cramped though, which is great. For boatneck or fatback I couldn't see ever going 1 11/16 unless you know that works for you. Standard thin 1 11/16 feels exotic to me now and is fine but I do seem to have settled on 1 5/8 boatneck for custom orders.
 
swarfrat said:
fdesalvo said:
stratamania said:
I prefer 1 5/8" also. Although a couple of necks I have now are 1 11/16' for the LSR nut. I find I tend towards different techniques for the different necks.

I’d be all over a 1-5/8 lsr nut. That’ll be the day.

I've only found it for something like $50 in the US, but ABM makes a 1-5/8" roller nut:
https://abm-guitarpartsshop.com/ABM-GUITAR-PARTS/Accessories/Nuts/Roller-Nuts/ABM-7020c-Chrome::332.html?MODsid=54c7e6c7356680009229235bf6e4625a

Good looking out! 

Same observation about depth and width here. Had a 1-3/4 Wolfgang and a 1-1/16 fatback. The WG was liveable, but the fat bstrd was a bear to play.
 
The thing that I don't like about FB isn't so much the girth as the lack of taper. It's not too fat, it just feels weird. I like the boatneck though. At $200-300 a pop that's about all I've experimented with.
 
It makes a huge difference. I had a 1 11/16 wolfgang neck that was just too beefy, and I sanded it down to a manageable size. Then I bought a Peavey Wolfgang, which has a 1 5/8 nut, and it felt so different. It was perfect.

Fretboard radius makes a big difference, and so does fret height. Vintage-size frets on a 7.25" board and a 1 5/8 nut with a massive neck could feel smaller than a skinny neck with a 1 3/4 nut, 16" board, and jumbo frets, especially if you ever use your thumb over the top.

The big revelation I had recently was that 7.25" boards don't fret out with big bends unless the fret work is garbage (even with low action), and playing chords / solos isn't necessarily easier or harder on a rounder or flatter fretboard.
 
I’d like to revisit the Wolfgang in the narrow nut now that you mention it, BJ. I usually contour the 59 a little, taking a bit offf the treble side, but I haven’t bothered. 
 
Just ordered a mustang neck in 1 5/8 and 59' profile! I'll let you guys know what I think. I currently have a 1 11/16 and Fatback profile neck that I find extremely comfy, so it'll be an interesting comparison for sure.
 
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