Trem stopper

[Cederick]

And being that there is so much you can do with bends, vibrato, and hammer-ons, it pretty much nullifies the need for a "whammy bar".

There's a lot you can't do without a trem!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAFLVQqu1ak

This riff is pretty dull, but without the trem it would be downright shitty.

Of course I could have shown a better example of a GOOD riff but I couldn't come up with any now...

 

[Strat Avenger]

Of course there's no "need" for one. It's just another tool, and on a guitar with a trem I don't see how using it is different do doing a bend, or finger vibrato, etc.

It's different because you don't need one to do a bend or finger vibrato. You also don't have tuning issues and maintenance issues with bends and finger vibrato.

I  just think than after 27 years of playing guitar,  the outer-space, horsie, and elephant sounds are passe'. 

As far as "tools" go, one can use a Whammy pedal for radical pitch-shifting. I have never experienced the need for raising or lowering the pitch on all 6 six strings at the same time.

 

[swarfrat]

I wasn't looking for one, but when the showcase body popped up, I said 'hey I'm 20 years older now, maybe it will be fun, maybe I'll use it more responsibly.' After a couple months weeks playing with it, I was like 'oh yeah, that's how I got by without one for 20 years'. It's kind of like slide. Other people use it to good effect, but after playing with it a bit, I end up saying 'let's put this up before someone gets hurt'. It's not that they're evil, just superfluous as mammaries on a boar. I'm not shocked that they're a popular accessory, what shocks me is that its so hard to get a guitar without one.

 

[Cederick]

Street Avenger: is that your green guitar with a Floyd? If you don't like it why order one like that  :doh:

swarfrat: about hard to find one without trems: yes it's ridiculous! Almost every strat, ibanez RG, Jackson guitars, bla bla has a trem. If I'm looking for a strat or strat-like guitar, it's REALLY hard to find one.
I also have these stupid requirements like one humbucker only, with volume knob way down, alpine white, 24 fret ebony fretboard with block inlays and other stuff so the only way I can really get a guitar that I want is... WARMOTH :hello2:
At least they are best for the price, all others I've checked have been way more expensive for the same specs.
The only thing I would like is that it would be a neck-through, to reach the highest notes better but I don't think it would be that hard to reach really. And IF I where able to find one like that, it would have a fudging TREMOLO. Haha!

But that's my next Warmoth build, behold my MS Paint skills  :cool01:

Can't wait to have this in my possession!!!

 

[Jumble Jumble]

Of course there's no "need" for one. It's just another tool, and on a guitar with a trem I don't see how using it is different do doing a bend, or finger vibrato, etc.

It's different because you don't need one to do a bend or finger vibrato. You also don't have tuning issues and maintenance issues with bends and finger vibrato.

I  just think than after 27 years of playing guitar,  the outer-space, horsie, and elephant sounds are passe'. 

As far as "tools" go, one can use a Whammy pedal for radical pitch-shifting. I have never experienced the need for raising or lowering the pitch on all 6 six strings at the same time.

My personal opinion is that the radical stuff is over the top, yeah. I think a Floyd is really for making a particular sound that's quite distinct and different from your regular Strat trem. I have one Floyd guitar and that is used for 80s rock where you get dives in the middle of solos. But I find it impossible to use for subtle vibrato or surfy effects - it just seems to want to shift the pitch too much all the time. My strats both have standard trems and I would imagine that when I use those, a listener would be hard-pressed to tell if I was using finger vibrato or the whammy.

If you listen to A Momentary Lapse of Rason by Pink Floyd, you will hear some lovely work done with the TransTrem.

 

[Strat Avenger]

Street Avenger: is that your green guitar with a Floyd? If you don't like it why order one like that  :doh:

Yes, it's my guitar. I ordered it like that because that is what I wanted. I have 3 guitars with a Floyd. The rest are either fixed-bridge or 2-point Fender American Standard with the arm removed.

I've always liked the feel of the Floyd, and the fine-tuners. I was just pointing out that after close to 3 decades, my desire to actually use a vibrato bridge has greatly diminished. I find myself more attracted to great guitar players rather than great "whammy-bar" users. The squeals, dive-bombs, space sounds, etc., have all been done (and done to death). I'm ready to move on. Players like I mentioned before (Vai, Satriani, Van Halen) are an anomaly amongst the vast majority of musicians. There are lots of wannabes out there, but I think people should try to be original.

I guess I'm getting old, 'cuz I just find Floyds and the like to be more hassle than they're worth. They still don't keep the guitar perfectly in-tune, because strings stretch and necks move. Springs fatigue, and go out of adjustment. They're fine if you like them (I'm not getting rid of mine), but they just aren't the be all-end all that they have always been hyped to be.

As you can see, my avatar has 2 fixed-bridge guitars that I have in mind for future Warmoth builds.

 

[Cederick]

Well if Floyd players have been done to death then regular players have been done to death even more    :icon_scratch:
haha but seriously I know what you are talking about but I mean just because you have a trem doesn't mean you have to use it all the time and become a "trem player".

A ten minute solo with a flutter in the right spot wouldn't be the same without the flutter, for example.
And I don't even like the fluttering thing, but if it sounds right just there then it should be there too.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

Yeah, the whole "guitar players vs whammy users" thing is just a false dichotomy.

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

It is as much a tool as a neck pickup or a tone pot, to each their own as to how they use it.  I've played Floyd's for so many years, more than I've played on any other trem collectively, and even if I don't dive bomb on it, I'm used to the feel, hence why I still prefer it over any other trem.

 

[Cederick]

However, the real bad thing is that you can't do that "two string bend" where you bend one string and having one straight... The bridge follows and makes it out of tune. I just that quite a lot so I can't use a Floyd guitar for those stuff

 

[AutoBat]

However, the real bad thing is that you can't do that "two string bend" where you bend one string and having one straight... The bridge follows and makes it out of tune. I just that quite a lot so I can't use a Floyd guitar for those stuff

slightly bend the other string too, problem solved.

 

[Cederick]

Well it's not very easy doing that on one solo part I recorded today. It's like that but 12 times one note higher every time very quickly.

 

[Cagey]

However, the real bad thing is that you can't do that "two string bend" where you bend one string and having one straight... The bridge follows and makes it out of tune. I just that quite a lot so I can't use a Floyd guitar for those stuff

Gimme a break.

Is that a real problem, or is that a Sears problem?​

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

With the Tremol-No, you can, it just has to be in dive only or hard tail mode, takes one second to switch it into either mode.

 

[drewfx]

You can do that with a tremsetter too...

 

[line6man]

Is that a real problem, or is that a Sears problem?​

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