too much tension on strings with warmoth neck

[kamote]

Hi writing because I having issues with warmoth neck with an strat body warmoth with .10 strings

This guitar have much tension on the strings. I tried lowing all the action and adjusting the tremolo to down the action. But the tension always is to high comparing with my others guitars an epiphone and squire.

I tunned the guitar from E to C to get a normal tension.

I will try changing the strings to 0.8

But what else could i try to fix this issue?

Thanks.

 

[Hbom]

That's an interesting situation. Out of curiosity, what does it measure from the nut to the bridge?

 

[bagman67]

Hey, Kamote -


You and a dozen (wild-ass estimate) other users have the same Bob Marley icon, and have all been created in the last month or so.  I'm thinkin' they're all probably you.  If I'm mistaken, I beg your pardon - but if I'm not... dude, wtf?  Why not establish an identity here and enjoy the benefits of more enduring participation, such as credibility and credence and, dare I say it, possibly even friendships?

 

[Fat Pete]

The registering procedure now invites (requires?) new users to choose from a preset selection of 18 musicians and 14 actors to use as avatars. I'm sure they can change them afterwards but that's why we're suddenly seeing Messrs. Marley, Cobain et al all the time.

 

[bagman67]

I was not aware.  Apologies.

 

[PickinPaddler]

I have two Warmoth Tele builds that have very different string tensions. Ya got me...

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

Perhaps this is Mr. Kamote's first visit to 25.5 from 24.75" scale and did not anticipate the slight increase in tension.
Just providing some benefit of doubt here.

Beyond that, may likely be a setup issue, or lack thereof, as has been previously suggested.

 

[kamote]

Hi thanks for the answers!

Yes this is my first custom guitar.

I just took measure of my Squire and Warmoth neck

Both have a total measure of 25.5 inches of neck.

But there is a differente between the measure from the nut to the bridge.

The Squire Neck have a measure of 18.1 inches from the nut to bridge and the Warmoth have a measure of 18.5 inches.

I want to change the neck but I need to find what is the issue to don't fall to the same mistake.  Or maybe is something on the configuration

 

[TurboTony]

GHS gives me very tight feeling strings, D'addario gives slightly less and Fender SuperXL 250's are the key for me

 

[Cagey]

I just took measure of my Squire and Warmoth neck
Both have a total measure of 25.5 inches of neck.
But there is a differente between the measure from the nut to the bridge.
The Squire Neck have a measure of 18.1 inches from the nut to bridge and the Warmoth have a measure of 18.5 inches.
I want to change the neck but I need to find what is the issue to don't fall to the same mistake.  Or maybe is something on the configuration

I think we may have some language or terminology problems here. What you're saying doesn't make sense.

What you want to measure is the "scale length", which is the distance from the nut to the bridge. Just the "speaking" length of the string, which is the part that vibrates. Ignore the string length running from the nut to the tuners, or from the bridge to the tailpiece.

On the vast majority of guitars, that will end up being either 24.75" or 25.5" (roughly). Other scales exist, but you don't see them nearly as often.

In any event, the longer that length is, the more tension you have to apply to a particular string to get it to vibrate at a particular frequency.

 

[bagman67]

Possibly Kamote is referring to the distance from the nut to the end of the fretboard, which can vary significantly from a 21 to a 22 to a 24 fret neck, given identical scale lengths.

 

[swarfrat]

18" is shorter than the Squire Minis, he's measuring something else besides the bridge to nut distance.  (The mini's are 22.75" scale length for comparison).

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

I'd even say the tension difference is perception and not actual, though the Epiphone is most likely a shorter scale length.  Warmoth fretboards compared to a Fender aren't as rolled, thus more square reeling may translate to a different perception.  But, the Squier and Warmoth with same scale lengths, same string set/gauge, and same tuning can't be different tensions. 

 

[Alfang]

when you build any guitar from scratch or from parts, once its assembled its merely a piece of furniture or cabinetry, you must do a good "Set-up" to turn it in to an instrument. I suspect that this hasn't been done. There's a ton of videos on you tube that will showcase how to do this, and there's a specific and simple order to follow to set up a guitar

 

[kamote]

Hi thanks again.

I took again the "scale lenght" based on this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k0IZl3VTzA

Looks like the squire and warmoth have a neck of 25 and something is difficult calculate the exact measure to the end of the bridge.

Another detail is that the squire neck have 21 frets and the Warmoth neck have 22 frets.

 

[swarfrat]

Number of frets doesn't make a difference to tension.

http://www.daddario.com/DAstringtensionguide.Page?sid=379fc30e-8981-4ee7-a893-f300b6f67821

T = density * (2 * L * F)^2 / c  where density is the mass per unit length, L = the length of the string (open in the case of tension, even though it's always true for any length), F = the frequency (again, of the open string) and c is some constant that will vary if you're using english/metric/carats per furlong, etc...

All of those are fixed for a given scale length and string, regardless of hardware, brand, length of string behind the nut, and your mood. What CAN make a difference subjectively is if your setup requires you to push the string down an unreasonable amount to fret it (such as if the action is too high, at the nut or the bridge, the neck angle, neck relief, etc...

The first thing I'd do is to check and make sure you don't have some finish or wood chip or dust mite or something you didn't notice in the neck pocket, and make sure the neck is seated fully. THEN do your setup. I had the hardest time because my neck wasn't fully seated, and it was due to allowing finish to dribble into the pocket.