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CrackedPepper

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I was just looking at big bob's non-W LP with the three humbucker (HB) routes.  Rather than hijack his thread, I'd like to ask some questions here. 

I've seen some 3 HB guitars like certain Gibson Black Beauties and Ace Frehley's 3 HB LP but I really don't get what the 3 HBs get you.  Can anyone explain what the middle HB does relative to the neck and bridge?  Also, is the middle HB hotter than the neck but not as hot as the bridge?
 
The middle pickup can be anything. Traditionally it's the same as the neck pickup, but of course placing it in the middle position gives less output and a slightly brighter sound. The current fashion seems to be to put a humbucker-sized P-90 (e.g. SD Phat Cat) in the middle, with regular humbuckers at the bridge and neck. If you want the pickups to all be balanced then yes, the middle pickup does need to be a little hotter than the neck and a little lower output than the bridge, although since the middle humbucker is often used as a dedicated rhtyhm pickup or to blend in with the other two, it's more common for the middle pickup to have the same output as the neck or slightly lower.

What it gives you depends on how you wire it. Just by itself, an actual pickup in the middle does sound very different to the more common neck+bridge combined "middle" position; it tends to be slightly clearer and respond to picking dynamics better, although of course this does depend on what pickups you're using and your playing style. It's quite popular in various types of alterntive rock and metal since it can sound darker than a bridge pickup but doesn't get muddy and boomy when downtuning like the neck pickup can.
Often a 3-humbucker LP or similar guitar is wired so the toggle switch does the usual selections and one of the volume/tone pots is used to roll in the middle pickup. This can be useful to add a little warmth to the bridge pickup without having to use a tone control (which might dampen response) or to brighten up the neck pickup a little. Of course it can also be used fully on and combined with one (or all) of the other pickups, just as a Strat's layout works. The difference in tone between one humbucker on its own and two parallel isn't quite as drastic as it is with single coils though. Of course coil splits could be installed to give you those more typical Strat combined pickup sounds.

So basically, it'll sound right in between the bridge pickup's tone and the neck pickup's tone, but how you make use of that is up to you. There are lots of options and none of them are wrong.


For what it's worth, I also have a 3-humbucker super-Strat with a 5-way switch and two coil splits (bridge and middle; the neck is automatically split when selecting the neck&middle position). I can get a lot of tones out of it thanks to the more verstaile switching system though in practice I usually leave the middle humbucker split. In fact I can't remember the last time I used it as a full humbucker. It's not that a middle humbucker isn't usful, it's just that I find a middle single coil is more useful. I think that is probably why so many people have started using P-90s/Phat Cats in the middle of 3-pickup LPs instead of humbuckers.




... I spend far too much time thinking about these things.
 
Don't listen to him about the picking issue. I pick directly over the pickups on plenty of guitars no matter where they're placed and it's never been an issue for me.

the old Black Beauties were wired so that the middle position was bridge + middle, and there was no setting for just the middle or combining the neck position. I think if you're going to the 3-pickup route you're either gotta go for a 5-way super switch or something with a lot of extra toggles.

as for what the middle pickup does? it gives you one extra option. What does the middle pickup in a strat do? i guess whatever you want. The more pickups you have, the more tonal options. By nature of placement, if all 3 pickups were identical the middle pickup would be somewhere in between the bridge and neck in both volume and tone. But it's pretty old-fashioned and uncommon to have 3 of the same pickups in all 3 locations. so depending on what you want it for, you can put something different in there. I'd probably get a pickup that is tonally very different from my neck pickup, for contrasting clean tones. but that's just me


edit: man i was slow on the draw
 
Wow - great responses guys!  Thanks!!

@AprioriMark - dNA says that I should not listen to you but I can't pick worth beans so there ya go.

@Ace - so if you were going to put a Phat Cat in the middle would you put in a neck or bridge version?

@dNA - from what I understand the Ace Frehley model has three Dimarzio Super Distortion pickup which makes no sense to me based on what you and Ace Flibble said
 
I had the Fender J5 Triple Tele:
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And the look of that guitar was a statement in itself. But three humbuckers was way to much soundwise. And I also felt annoyed by the middel pickup - so I screwed it almost level with the pickguard and really only used position 1 and 3. But they both rocked  :guitarplayer2:

I eventually sold it off because it was ridiculous heavy - but that's another story.

I can't see myself having 3 humbuckers in a guitar again. Not even for the cool look.
 
CrackedPepper said:
Wow - great responses guys!  Thanks!!

@AprioriMark - dNA says that I should not listen to you but I can't pick worth beans so there ya go.

@Ace - so if you were going to put a Phat Cat in the middle would you put in a neck or bridge version?

@dNA - from what I understand the Ace Frehley model has three Dimarzio Super Distortion pickup which makes no sense to me based on what you and Ace Flibble said

What they're all saying is there's no accounting for taste. Everybody likes something different. The only thing you can count on if you add a third pickup is that it won't sound like the neck or bridge pickup. Whether that's good, bad, or indifferent will be completely up to you. Nobody else can tell you.

I understand that's not very comforting, considering the cost of pickups and the potentially devastating effect installing one can have if you decide you don't like it, but that's reality, which as we all know, bites. Look at what SustainerPlayer ended up doing.
 
I have an Epiphone Limited Edition G-400 Custom SG with 3 PU's.

This one's not mine, but it's exactly like this one:

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Originally it came wired with 3 volumes and a master tone, with the middle PU always active (according to its volume) regardless of the 3-way switch position. I found this really annoying if I wanted to change combinations when using the middle PU.

I rewired it with a push-pull on the middle volume - down it puts the middle PU on the neck side of the 3-way, up it puts it on the bridge side of the 3-way. It's much, much better that way, IMHO, both flexible and easy to use.
 
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