This is how fare dodgers with bad attitudes get dealt with in Scotland :P

[elfro89]

Potentially NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eKKADFIEX84

 

[crash]

Nice to see some countries don't put up with that kind of $h!t.

 

[pabloman]

That's pretty funny. The first time I saw it there were no subtitles. That was even funnier. The youtube comments had me laughing as well. Good or bad right or wrong, whatever, I garauntee something like this would never happen in my neighborhood.

 

[Cagey]

I've always wondered why any kind of paid transportation system would allow you to embark without checking your authorization to do so first. I'm surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen a helluva lot more often. I mean, the guy clearly didn't have a ticket - what the hell was he doing on the bus/train (whatever it was) in the first place? You don't see ticket collectors polling the audience in movie theaters or ball games or concerts. You pay first, then you go in. You don't go in and wait to see if anybody checks to see if you paid the fee.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

I've always wondered why any kind of paid transportation system would allow you to embark without checking your authorization to do so first. I'm surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen a helluva lot more often. I mean, the guy clearly didn't have a ticket - what the hell was he doing on the bus/train (whatever it was) in the first place? You don't see ticket collectors polling the audience in movie theaters or ball games or concerts. You pay first, then you go in. You don't go in and wait to see if anybody checks to see if you paid the fee.

I agree.  He shouldn't have ever been on the train in the first place...

 

[bagman67]

I've always wondered why any kind of paid transportation system would allow you to embark without checking your authorization to do so first. I'm surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen a helluva lot more often. I mean, the guy clearly didn't have a ticket - what the hell was he doing on the bus/train (whatever it was) in the first place? You don't see ticket collectors polling the audience in movie theaters or ball games or concerts. You pay first, then you go in. You don't go in and wait to see if anybody checks to see if you paid the fee.

I agree.  He shouldn't have ever been on the train in the first place...

Many public transit systems are going to an electronic-fare-card model.  Gives the unionized operator one less thing to keep track of while earning his or her daily crust, and gives the municipality somewhat reduced costs.  Spot checking is cheaper than 100% enforcement.  The crux of the biscuit is setting the fine for getting busted high enough that it'll deter the freeloaders, and low enough that once in a while someone will run the risk and get popped - and pay enough to make enforcement profitable.

 

[elfro89]

They introduced a system that only lets you leave the station once you put your ticket through the machine. There only at the bigger stations like Edinburgh, which is probably why he paid for the first journey but not the second since I don't think perth has the same system, they usually have a couple ticket inspectors at the gate. They should definitely change the way is enforced like. But it's in my view that people who fare dodge are even more unlikely to pay a fine.

 

[Cagey]

While you certainly don't want any union workers to actually do any work, what with them not having any experience at it at all, it does seem as though the whole gateway paradigm has been refined enough that it shouldn't be difficult to implement. If people would still feel better paying an exorbitant wage to have some warm bodies hovering around, then by all means, let's have that. There's so much free money floating around these days, it's a wonder anyone charges for anything.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

I've always wondered why any kind of paid transportation system would allow you to embark without checking your authorization to do so first. I'm surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen a helluva lot more often. I mean, the guy clearly didn't have a ticket - what the hell was he doing on the bus/train (whatever it was) in the first place? You don't see ticket collectors polling the audience in movie theaters or ball games or concerts. You pay first, then you go in. You don't go in and wait to see if anybody checks to see if you paid the fee.

I agree.  He shouldn't have ever been on the train in the first place...

Many public transit systems are going to an electronic-fare-card model.  Gives the unionized operator one less thing to keep track of while earning his or her daily crust, and gives the municipality somewhat reduced costs.  Spot checking is cheaper than 100% enforcement.  The crux of the biscuit is setting the fine for getting busted high enough that it'll deter the freeloaders, and low enough that once in a while someone will run the risk and get popped - and pay enough to make enforcement profitable.

This is true, but considering the number of people riding these trains, what are the chances of getting "knicked" twice within a short period of time?  The operator would still need to check to see who has tickets and who doesn't.

 

[stubhead]

I would assume the issue is time. You can hold up a few hundred people while you check for tickets one-at-a-time, and all the legitimate ones just want to get where they're going. Or you could wait until they're just sitting there traveling, doing nothing else important. People going to and from work are often try to do so efficiently.

It may be a system put in place where there was either a higher respect for authority (unlikely), or a significantly greater punishment. But in Hollywood, the smartass kid who "beats the system" and rides for free is usually the hero of the story, and people are often proud of when they personally "get over." I mean, you could stop the problem entirely by throwing the people off when the train is doing 100 kph, just as you can "cure" the illegal immigration problem with machine guns and landmines on the borders. There is virtually no crime in Saudi Arabia, in fact they don't even have jails. There is no crime in Saudi Arabia because they don't have jails - just a big desert.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

I would assume the issue is time. You can hold up a few hundred people while you check for tickets one-at-a-time, and all the legitimate ones just want to get where they're going. Or you could wait until they're just sitting there traveling, doing nothing else important. People going to and from work are often try to do so efficiently.

It may be a system put in place where there was either a higher respect for authority (unlikely), or a significantly greater punishment. But in Hollywood, the smartass kid who "beats the system" and rides for free is usually the hero of the story, and people are often proud of when they personally "get over." I mean, you could stop the problem entirely by throwing the people off when the train is doing 100 kph, just as you can "cure" the illegal immigration problem with machine guns and landmines on the borders. There is virtually no crime in Saudi Arabia, in fact they don't even have jails. There is no crime in Saudi Arabia because they don't have jails - just a big desert.

They both sound like excellent ideas! 

There's a reason Turkey doesn't have a problem with crime...ya steal and ya lose a hand, rape and you lose, well...the most important thing in your life.  ccasion14:

 

[pabloman]

We should all follow the code of Hammurabi.  :headbang1:

 

[Cagey]

Hammurabi had it easy, being a king and all. Our own code would be a lot simpler if there weren't special interest groups and political action committees writing in 7,230,811 exceptions to every decision ever made that seemed at the time to put paid to a conflict or guiding principle.

Code of Hammurabi as recorded​

Some of US law, as recorded​

And remember, ignorance of the law is no excuse when charged with breaking it.

 

[UWModerator]

Let's be careful with the politics, guys. You know the rules.

 

[elfro89]

:binkybaby: I'm pretty sure this thread died anyway...

 

[Mor Paul]

Ha, that's an awesome vid

 

[pabloman]

That's an awesome Sig!!!!

 

[-CB-]

I've always wondered why any kind of paid transportation system would allow you to embark without checking your authorization to do so first. I'm surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen a helluva lot more often. I mean, the guy clearly didn't have a ticket - what the hell was he doing on the bus/train (whatever it was) in the first place? You don't see ticket collectors polling the audience in movie theaters or ball games or concerts. You pay first, then you go in. You don't go in and wait to see if anybody checks to see if you paid the fee.

What Mr. Doofus on the train did.... was buy a seat for the nosebleed section, and try to sit in the stage floor area.

At the ballgame, concert, etc... they DO make sure you're seated where your seat says you should be.  Same with him.  He got a low cost ticket, expected to flash it and get away with riding long distance on it.  He got caught.... :icon_biggrin: