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Tele Gibson scale neck question

CaptVemo

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Has anyone on here done a Tele build with the Gibson scale conversion neck on it? If so do you have any videos of it and feedback as to how it plays and sounds. Ive been a Gibson flying V man since I was a kid. But now that Im older Im leaning towards a tele. But I dont like the Fenders or there scale necks. Im thinking of building one along the lines of what Billy Gibbons has been using for several years. Chambered tele body with one humbucker in it. And a gibson scale neck. Any input pics videos would be greatly appreciated.
 
I've done a few like that, but I don't have any video of them. I, too am getting a bit older and have a harder time with the longer scale than I used to. Feel-wise, they're great. Appearance-wise, you can't tell it's a shorter scale neck. Sound-wise, it's tough to say because I've not used Tele pickups or traditional neck lumber for any of them. So, actually, none of them sound like what you'd expect from a Tele.
 
Right off the bat, here's an easy way for you to try it out: the Squier Vintage Modified Thinline guitar, in Shoreline Gold, is 24.75" with an otherwise-normal Thinline Telecaster body. They're not being produced right now, but you may be able to find them still sat in some shops. That will give you a good idea of the feel of the combination. Do be aware it has a 7.25" radius fretboard and obviously has a semi-hollow body, though. Also note that there are other Vintage Modified Telecasters, including other Thinlines, which are not 24.75" scale. The 24.75" Thinline is easy to spot because it only comes in Shoreline Gold, and none of the others do.

Now, as far as experience with conversion-necked Teles goes, I've made six of 'em for myself, with a varitey of pickups and wood combinations from totally classic to bizarre—I'm finishing off a scrappy Tele-Les Paul hybrid right now—and I've put together a few friends' 24.75" Tele builds, as well. I've even swapped parts around between the guitars, so I've covered pretty much every combination possible, at one time or another.

[If you want to skip my in-depth commentary and get straight to the point, skip down to the bit begining 'tl;dr' ;) ]


In terms of feel, you're obviously mostly getting the Gibson side of things. With the normal Tele bridge (or other Fender-style hardtails with block or bent steel saddles), you will notice a little more resistance when bending strings a full tone or more, compared to the common Gibson tune-o-matic and stopbar. Because of this, and the increased tendancy towards buzzing as your shorten the scale length, I highly recommend you go for a fretboard radius of 11" or more. 11" is the smallest radius I've tried with this kind of neck on a Tele and been able to completely avoid buzzing when bending. The common Fender 9.5" radius, with the shorter scale,  is hard to get playing well without buzzing when bending; the 7.25" radius, as found on the Squier VM Thinline, completely frets out unless you raise the action very, very high. Compound radius fretboards which end at least at 12" should be totally fine.

Personally, I prefer a straight 12" radius, regardless of the type of guitar, scale length or bridge, so that's what the majority of my conversion necks have and they play absolutely fine. I also like really round and really thick neck stocks, so most of mine have actually been thicker than Gibson necks; I typically aim for around 0.87" at the nut and 1" at the 12th fret. Obviously, having a 12" radius fretboard and a rounder-than-normal neck helps get away from the normal Tele feel. (Unless you compare it to an original 'nocaster' Fender Tele, which have necks thicker than 1" all the way through!)

As far as the tone goes, I have not noticed any differences which can be put down to the scale length. There have definitely been changes as I've experimented wih different wood combinations, but those have always been in keeping with what I expected; mahogany and rosewood sounds much warmer than a normal Tele, while ash and maple sounds exactly th same as a normal Tele. The hotter/warmer the pickups get, the less and less I notice a difference, even with very different wood and construction combinations. For reference, a SD Hot Rails tele-size humbucker, in a semi-hollow Thinline body, with a 24.75" all-rosewood neck, never sounded much different than when I put the same pickup—not another of the same type, but the exact same pickup—in a solid alder body with a 25.5"-scale maple and rosewood neck. Same bridge, same electronics transplanted. Very different guitars, but virtually identical sound when a thick-toned humbucker was used. On the other hand I've tried similar build comparisons using standard Tele single coils and the differences becomes a little more apparent.

One thing to remember, when referencing Billy Gibbons' most recent Tele, is that his is only lightly chambered, the neck is an unusual mahogany back and maple fretboard combination, the neck is set in with a long tenon, the pickup has been specially tweaked for it, and he uses .007 strings. It'd be easy to make something along the same lines as that, but it'd be hard to really copy it fully, and it'll never quite sound the same.


tl;dr:

If you're using the Gibson scale, Gibson fretboard radius and a Gibson-esque back profile, it'll feel like a Gibson. You might notice a slight difference when bending strings, but it's not much of a change at all, and many people won't notice it. You could of course use a tune-o-matic and stopbar bridge to complete the Gibson feel.

If you're using a powerful humbucker, it'll sound just the same as if you put a similar pickup in a Flying V, Explorer or SG. If you're using a lower-output, brighter humbucker, definitely make sure you use a mahogany neck and a weight-relieved or chambered mahogany body to complete that tone. I also recommend using a 300k volume pot and 500k tone pot, instead of the common 500k + 500k set up. Neck pickups are a different case, but it sounds like you won't be using one of those anyway.
 
Great vid Double A. 

Who's the girl doing the assembly and setups?  I think I love her.  Especially her nail polish.  :glasses9:
Her hands would look awesome on my Warmoth ThinLine.

I've done the conversion neck thing twice now! 
25.5" scale just ain't for me.  Had a whole stable of 25.5" guitars and have jettisoned all but one of 'em.

I would like to take this opportunity to cast a vote for a 24.5" scale length
24.5" is my fav scale.

My Warmoth ThinLine was born this way.  She's my #1 now.
Here are the specs for her neck:
Std. Warmoth Conversion Radius: 10"-16"
Construction: Pro Conversion 24-3/4" 
Neck Wood: Mahogany 
Fingerboard Wood: Roasted Maple 
Nut Width: 1-5/8" 
Back Shape: Standard thin 
Tuner Ream: Sperzel (25/64") 
Radius: 10-16" Compound 
Fret #: 22 
Mounting Holes: Standard 4 Bolt 
Inlays: Black Mother Of Pearl Dots
Side Dots: Black Side Dots 
String Nut: GraphTech Black TUSQ XL - Earvana Nut 
Fret Wire: 6105

Don't hesitate Capn', works awesome. 
 
CaptVemo said:
..Ive been a Gibson flying V man since I was a kid...
Congrats. For me the V is the coolest of the cool guitars. I'm addicted to these guitars!

CaptVemo said:
...Im thinking of building one ... with one humbucker in it...
You will lose a whole new world if you don't put a bridge tele pickup. Tons of balls and character to play any style of music you want.
 
Kostas said:
CaptVemo said:
..Ive been a Gibson flying V man since I was a kid...
Congrats. For me the V is the coolest of the cool guitars. I'm addicted to these guitars!

CaptVemo said:
...Im thinking of building one ... with one humbucker in it...
You will lose a whole new world if you don't put a bridge tele pickup. Tons of balls and character to play any style of music you want.

Yeah love my V this is gonna be a whole new world for me Im having Pearly Gates pickups installed in it this week. So you think I will loose a lot by not having a neck pickup? Billy seems to have a bridge pickup only in just about every guitar he has and it seems to be working well for him.
 
Billy Gibbons almost never uses the neck pickup in his guitars. He used to, and he uses the middle selection with the pickups wired out of phase, but these days he almost exclusively uses the bridge pickup. There's a lot of be said for not having a neck pickup, not least of all the improved sustain you get from taking that magnetic pull away from such a strongly-resonating area of the string.

If you don't use a neck pickup, don't have one. If you do use the neck pickup, have one. If you're unsure, and you already have several guitars with neck pickups, I'd lean toward making this one a bridge-only guitar; it's not like you can't plug another guitar in when you want a neck tone.
 
CaptVemo said:
... So you think I will loose a lot by not having a neck pickup? Billy seems to have a bridge pickup only in just about every guitar he has and it seems to be working well for him.

No, having V guitars with HB's it's your opportunity to have a different (equally great) sound by putting a tele pickup in the bridge position. You can put any or no pickup in the neck position, it doesn't matter. The body will give you the tele shape but the bridge pickup will give you the tele tone. As far as Gibbons, he doesn't know how many guitars/amps/pedals he owns and he has everything we know and don't know. He's a great player so what works for him...works for him!
 
I never really liked the tele sound or any single coil style pickup for that matter Im trying to basicly make a gibson style tele. I agree about the magnetic pull on having more pickups added. The neck pickup is great for blues and jazz but not a fan of them for rock or even blues rock. Billy has been using guitars for years most with only a bridge pickup even back when he used the old teles they were pretty much nocasters and only had one pickup in the bridge position. Now that Bolin is building them hes using a humbucker.
 
Done it here also. I'm up to Warmoth #5 now and every neck has been an experiment. Think I'm getting closer to love now. Like most guys that grew up in the eighties Super Thin shreddy necks where the norm and I always believe that this was best for me.

However never giving it a whole lot of though went back and really took some measurements on my ol' school '84 USA made BC Rich. 24-5/8" asymmetrical neck profile etc.

I really kicked myself that I wasn't doing this the whole time. So #1 started at Wizard, 1-3/4", 25.5, 10-16 compound and have worked my way to the most recent Wolfgang, 1-5/8", 24-3/4", Straight 10.

I don't build traditional tele's so hard to compare. But after 20 years of hammered mechanics hands the short scale and .008's feel just great to me.

Interesting about the fretting out on small radius f/b's. I'll have to pay particular attention this time around.

I'd say if interested go for it. You won't regret.
 
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