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mullyman

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Got one here that's probably been done before, but I can't find the thread if it exists....and feel free to BBQ me if need be.

Floyd Rose and an LSR roller nut instead of the Floyd locking nut..........with locking tuners of course.

Ok, discuss!!!

MULLY
I'm thinking of doing this with the Frankenstrat so honest opinions, please......and again, BBQ me if I deserve it. haha!!

BTW, anyone know if Warmoth will route a humbucker cavity for direct mount rather than the deep holes on each side which requires mounting rings?
 
mullyman said:
BTW, anyone know if Warmoth will route a humbucker cavity for direct mount rather than the deep holes on each side which requires mounting rings?

Yeah.  Just look for the option for "Humbucker (wood mount)"
 
Scuffcakes said:
mullyman said:
BTW, anyone know if Warmoth will route a humbucker cavity for direct mount rather than the deep holes on each side which requires mounting rings?

Yeah.  Just look for the option for "Humbucker (wood mount)"

Awesome.
MULLY
 
I'm sure there are three reasons Mr. Rose considered a locking nut and ultimately included one in his vibrato bridge design. First and foremost, there was no such thing as locking tuners when he designed his bridge. They didn't come until a year or two later. Second, he wanted so much range to the thing that without some positive retention, the strings would literally fall out of the nut slots. Finally, it was common knowledge that nuts and string trees were hangup points, so just get rid of them.

Since then, we've seen the introduction of locking tuners, which are a huge problem-solver. We've also seen the introduction of low-resistance nuts in the form of the LSR design or advanced composite materials such as Graphtech makes. We've never needed string trees except on cheapo high-production guitars where they install poorly formed nuts.

These days, the thing to use is a Wilkinson, or one of the many others based on that design. Combined with locking tuners and a well-formed nut, it's as reliable and repeatable as Floyd at half the cost and a tenth of the aggravation. If you need the range of a Floyd, you can route the sustain block cavity a bit more. It's pointless, as the Wilkinson install spec allows you to dive the thing to the point where the strings will barely vibrate, but some guys are insatiable.
 
Cagey said:
These days, the thing to use is a Wilkinson, or one of the many others based on that design. Combined with locking tuners and a well-formed nut, it's as reliable and repeatable as Floyd at half the cost and a tenth of the aggravation. If you need the range of a Floyd, you can route the sustain block cavity a bit more. It's pointless, as the Wilkinson install spec allows you to dive the thing to the point where the strings will barely vibrate, but some guys are insatiable.

Thanks for the message. Ahhh, this build is an EVH Frankenstein so there is no option other than a Floyd. I don't mind being a little bit off course, like I'm not tearing up the pup cavity just so it's spot on to his, but a bridge change would be too much.

Now, this next part I'm going to go off my nut a little and rant. I just want to tell you now that my rant is not at you, just telling you my experience. I've known you around this forum for quite a while and I respect you so don't take the following rant personal because I'm just telling the story. :+)

I gotta speak up about the Wilkinson. On my first Warmoth build I got a Wilkinson bridge with the graphite nut and locking tuners. I took that course of action from Warmoth's homepage recommendation and from reading things on here. I could be wrong, but I believe the sentence was "A Wilkinson used in combination with a graphite or LSR nut and locking tuners, it stays in tune." That's probably not exactly spot on but it's close enough. Man, I could NOT keep that guitar in tune when I used the trem. Now, I know my way around a guitar fairly well when it comes to the set up/assembly of one, but I'm not so arrogant that I wouldn't ask for a second opinion, or third. I took that guitar to 3 different places with highly respected set up guys on staff and NO ONE could get that damn thing to stay in tune after pushing the trem arm down. We first thought that maybe the strings weren't sliding well enough in the slots so we tried Nut Oil, then another type of oil, then graphite dust from pencil lead, etc... NOTHING worked. Then we opened the slots a little to give the strings a little more room to move around, that didn't help. Then, I gave up on the graphite nut and went plastic, that didn't work, then I gave up on that and went with bone, that didn't work. I don't give things second or third tries, not when they cost that much. I will NEVER use a Wilkinson tremolo ever again, and I will never recommend one to anyone.

FWIW though, I don't really use the trem all that often so it's more for looks than anything else. If this wasn't an EVH build I'd be tempted to try that Babicz bridge.
MULLY
 
Cagney's love for the wilkinson is almost infamous... I still rather have a Floyd with locking tuners and a good nut, whether its a graph tech or a rolling nut doesn't matter. I really like the fine tuners on the Floyd unit even though I have it single locked in stead of double... Also I prefer the feel of a Floyd, and it looks more kick ass.
 
Floyd Rose trems should be legally banned products for crimes against music.  :laughing7: :icon_biggrin:
 
Maka491 said:
Floyd Rose trems should be legally banned products for crimes against music.  :laughing7: :icon_biggrin:

Fixed it. It's an attractive nuisance. Go to guitar center on saturday and tell me otherwise.
 
Orpheo said:
Cagney's love for the wilkinson is almost infamous... I still rather have a Floyd with locking tuners and a good nut, whether its a graph tech or a rolling nut doesn't matter. I really like the fine tuners on the Floyd unit even though I have it single locked in stead of double... Also I prefer the feel of a Floyd, and it looks more kick ass.
:headbang1:
 
Jumble Jumble said:
Guys. Trems don't kill music. People kill music. Our guitars have the right to bear arms.


well-played-sir-well-played.jpg
 
swarfrat said:
Maka491 said:
Floyd Rose trems should be legally banned products for crimes against music.  :laughing7: :icon_biggrin:

Fixed it. It's an attractive nuisance. Go to guitar center on saturday and tell me otherwise.

Har Har.  :toothy12:
 
mullyman said:
Got one here that's probably been done before, but I can't find the thread if it exists....and feel free to BBQ me if need be.

MULLY
I'm thinking of doing this with the Frankenstrat so honest opinions, please......and again, BBQ me if I deserve it. haha!!

Mully, wouldn't that be more like teppanyaki for you???
 
mullyman said:
Floyd Rose and an LSR roller nut instead of the Floyd locking nut..........with locking tuners of course.

I haven't tried it. But it sounds doable. And I would love to hear about actual experience with such a setup.

So go-go-go!  :glasses9:
 
SustainerPlayer said:
mullyman said:
Floyd Rose and an LSR roller nut instead of the Floyd locking nut..........with locking tuners of course.

I haven't tried it. But it sounds doable. And I would love to hear about actual experience with such a setup.

So go-go-go!  :glasses9:

Looks like it's going to happen. Although, the original Frankenstrat had a Fender bridge so I'm seriously considering trying the Babicz hardware. Want to confer with a few people around my area first though.
MULLY
 
SustainerPlayer said:
mullyman said:
Floyd Rose and an LSR roller nut instead of the Floyd locking nut..........with locking tuners of course.

I haven't tried it. But it sounds doable. And I would love to hear about actual experience with such a setup.

I have a friend who built a Partsocaster and wound up with this exact setup. He's also played with the D-Tuna on it and in all cases it works like a charm. The one problem that I had with it was when I was messing around and pushed the bar all the way down (and I mean until the tip was hitting the top of the body), the strings were so slack they came out of the nut slots and didn't make it back in when I let the bar up. Of course, this was me totally messing around with it not actually doing anything useful. Other than that it worked out quite well I think.

Interesting to hear your take on the Wilkinson too, Mully. I was a bit skeptical of it at first but haven't had any problems with it on my latest build. Did you ever find what the issue with it was? I'd be interested to hear if you got it resolved or found out what the problem was to make sure I watch out on future builds. (I'm assuming you never figured it out just from the tone of your rant...)
 
MikeW said:
I have a friend who built a Partsocaster and wound up with this exact setup. He's also played with the D-Tuna on it and in all cases it works like a charm. The one problem that I had with it was when I was messing around and pushed the bar all the way down (and I mean until the tip was hitting the top of the body), the strings were so slack they came out of the nut slots and didn't make it back in when I let the bar up. Of course, this was me totally messing around with it not actually doing anything useful. Other than that it worked out quite well I think.

I'm glad you mentioned the string popping out of the nut like that. I was wondering about that. Luckily, I don't use the tremolo that much or that hard so it shouldn't be a problem. Fingers crossed.

Interesting to hear your take on the Wilkinson too, Mully. I was a bit skeptical of it at first but haven't had any problems with it on my latest build. Did you ever find what the issue with it was? I'd be interested to hear if you got it resolved or found out what the problem was to make sure I watch out on future builds. (I'm assuming you never figured it out just from the tone of your rant...)

Nope, never did figure it out. I ended up selling it on Yahoo Auction here in Japan. I was fortunate in that I got my money back out of it. I hated to sell it because, it was first build and it was GORGEOUS!!!, but I needed the cash and if one of my guitars had to go that Wilkinson made it so it was that one that got sent off. I truly hope that the new owner is enjoying it and isn't having any problems. It's been quite a while since I sold it, at least a year or more, and I never heard anything from him so I guess he's fine with it. But yeah, for future builds I won't even consider the Wilkinson. Don't get me wrong, people that have them, if they're working great for you then I couldn't be happier for you. It's just that one strike is an out for me.
MULLY

Here's a pic of that gorgeous beauty

Cherry body 1 by MULLY5150, on Flickr
 
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