STRAT HEADSTOCK / THICKNESS

[NUCCIOPAL]

I'm replacing the neck of my 2009 Am.Std Strat and I was planning to utilize the original tuners.
After installing the D tuner, I realized that it was not high enough for the string to be properly wrapped through.

Do you have any suggestions on how to get around the problem other than possibly buy new tuners?

Thanks in advance for your time.

 

[Logrinn]

Make sure the nut is tightened fully and also check if you could use a somewhat thinner washer. 

 

[NUCCIOPAL]

Make sure the nut is tightened fully and also check if you could use a somewhat thinner washer.
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Nut is tightened and I'll definitely check for a thinner washer (homedepot?).
But I'm surprised at the fact that the Warmoth headstock is thicker. Unless my specific neck is somewhat defective, how is it that no one has ever encountered this problem?

 

[Logrinn]

The hole in Fender’s tuning post looks to be very close to the nut. A minute difference in headstock thickness could make this difference you’re experiencing.

 

[NUCCIOPAL]

That's exactly my point. How is it that Warmoth does not mentions that their headstocks are thicker than standard strats and how is it that no one else seems to have posted about this problem?
Even if I want to get new tuners, what measurements am I supposed to take in order to find some that are taller than the current ones I own (Schaller) ?

 

[Fat Pete]

Maybe measure it accurately and check with Warmoth that yours is to spec? If you don't have a digital caliper, get one, they're cheap and very useful.

A quick Google suggests that Fenders can vary between ~0.5" & ~0.6" - the only Warmoth I've had occasion to measure was 0.57".

 

[Cagey]

I just measured 4 Warmoth Strat neck headstocks here, and they were all .55" to .56", with the thicker one having a finish on it. So, it's unlikely a headstock problem.

 

[rgand]

I also measured the thickness of three Warmoth headstocks. They were pretty consistent at .565", .573" and .575". None had a finish on them. They were purchased within the last two years, the first two fairly recently.

 

[Rick]

Need more pics to properly diagnos.  Just for giggles have you tried putting them back on your old neck, have you tried putting them on in a different order? Have you measured your tuners? 

 

[NUCCIOPAL]

Thanks everyone for your input.

I just measured the W neck and it is 14mm. My Fender neck is 12.7mm. (Pls forgive the mm measurement)
I did put the tuners back on the Fender neck and they are just fine so at this point the question is:
Does anyone know what tuners will fit for sure on a W neck with 14mm thickness?
Thanks again.

 

[Cagey]

I've never encountered a set of tuners that wouldn't fit on a Warmoth, and I install a lotta tuners.

You may want to check to be sure the tuner body is sitting flush to the rear of the headstock. Warmoth drills those hole pretty exactly, and some tuners don't slide in all the way. You have to pull them up with the threaded bushing used to secure the tuner. Also, are you sure the tuner peg is too low? The high E peg's string hole is sometimes pretty close to the face, in the interest of getting that last useless fraction of a degree of angle on the string.

 

[rgand]

Thanks everyone for your input.

I just measured the W neck and it is 14mm. My Fender neck is 12.7mm. (Pls forgive the mm measurement)
I did put the tuners back on the Fender neck and they are just fine so at this point the question is:
Does anyone know what tuners will fit for sure on a W neck with 14mm thickness?
Thanks again.

For reference, .56" is 14.2mm so yours at 14mm is to be expected. I have an '03 Squier Strat neck lying around that measures .575" or 14.6mm.

 

[BigSteve22]

Also, are you sure the tuner peg is too low? The high E peg's string hole is sometimes pretty close to the face, in the interest of getting that last useless fraction of a degree of angle on the string.

Just to demo what Kevin said about the High-"E" string tuner hole:

That's the high "E" on my Tele, with Hipshot staggered tuners.

 

[Rick]

Is there the same problem when you put it into different holes?  Is it the same for each of the shorter tuners?  Have you tried swapping them in different locations?  Are all the short tuners having the same problem?

Also, is this the same neck that you were having the problems with the index holes?  Or am I mixing you up? 

Maybe these fender tuners were designed only for this neck.  Fender violates their own standard specs on a regular basis.  I've had problems with trying to reuse Fender pickguards.  The Warmoths will always work on the Fenders, but not always visa versa.

If you want to replace the tuners, you've got a ton of choices, but I'd look at hipshot, planet waves and gotoh's.  I've used all three with success.

 

[NUCCIOPAL]

Well, I ended up buying a set of Grover Rotomatics 305 series and they fit just fine. Since they are not staggered, I'll have to install a string tuner. So I installed strings and I'm letting the neck settle for a while and then I'll see what needs to be worked on (Nut , truss rod etc.).

Thanks to everyone for your input.

 

[Parallax3d]

I was just assembling my new 7/8 T-Style last night, using a Mustang/Jaguar neck, and yes... the headstock IS thicker than my other guitars.

I was re-using some old fender staggered, non-locking tuners that I removed from a 2001 Am. Standard, and the short posts won't clear the peghead unless I ditch the washers.  NOT HAPPY!  I even spend $45 to get a jig from Stewmac, so I could use these tuners with pins, and not have screws visible.

 

[Logrinn]

That is so strange. I've never had problems with the tuners on my Warmoth necks. Have you measured the thickness with a caliper? Do you know how much of a difference there is?
Do you have any pictures?

 

[Rick]

I've own(ed) a bunch of Warmoth necks and never encountered this issue.  Post pics.  Also, measurements for tuners and headstock.  Will help diagnose.