stratamania
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Such a shame they don't sell OSX to run on PC hardware.
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The day may come. Apple has made it pretty clear in recent years that they're not interested in selling software. They practically give away OS/X, as opposed to their hardware, which they guard like the Holy Grail and charge for as if it were a cure for cancer. Although, it's funny how strongly they protect their software. They'll spend hundreds of millions of dollars to keep competitors from using anything they came up with, no matter how minor/inconsequential, but they'll sell you a licence for front pocket money.
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They did once before license out an earlier version of the OS but that's a long time ago now.
A Mac these days is running on Intel and x86 64 bit architecture and not Power PC.
A Mac these days is running on Intel and x86 64 bit architecture and not Power PC.
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I saw the Hackintosh stuff a couple years ago. I'm a professional computer geek, and I'm tired of fiddling with multipurpose platforms and keeping them running and yada yada yada. Mostly I just feel that mouse, keyboard, monitor, and the desk they sit on do not mix well with guitars. Now that my kid is a toddler, my free time is measured in chunks of minutes and fractions of hours.
I'll probably continue to research and vacillate until I pull the trigger. But I'm kinda thinking the R8 is actually enough for my intended use case. If I NEED to record 8 tracks at once, cool beans, it's a great problem to have. But it's hard for one person in a bedroom studio to generate more than 2 tracks at once anyway. My envisioned process goes something like:
Set up click track:
Throw down scaffolding rhythm track.
Bang out drum track on cajon
Record bass track.
Replace/Augment banged out drum track with drum machine.
Layer everything else, replace rhythm track if need be.
I'm still missing my pickup for MIDI guitar. But I have a keyboard. I'd still rather play it on guitar. But I can always record audio instead of MIDI for synth stuff.. I kind of think I like that idea better, both in terms of work flow and not spreading my skill set too thin. (ie, if you're playing midi guitar, on the guitar, and you're rerecording till you get it right, rather than spending that time reading manuals and playing the musical equivalent of Tetris on a piano roll .... it's all goes back into the "becoming better guitar player" pot instead of dabbling in piano roll editing and manual reading.)
I'll probably continue to research and vacillate until I pull the trigger. But I'm kinda thinking the R8 is actually enough for my intended use case. If I NEED to record 8 tracks at once, cool beans, it's a great problem to have. But it's hard for one person in a bedroom studio to generate more than 2 tracks at once anyway. My envisioned process goes something like:
Set up click track:
Throw down scaffolding rhythm track.
Bang out drum track on cajon
Record bass track.
Replace/Augment banged out drum track with drum machine.
Layer everything else, replace rhythm track if need be.
I'm still missing my pickup for MIDI guitar. But I have a keyboard. I'd still rather play it on guitar. But I can always record audio instead of MIDI for synth stuff.. I kind of think I like that idea better, both in terms of work flow and not spreading my skill set too thin. (ie, if you're playing midi guitar, on the guitar, and you're rerecording till you get it right, rather than spending that time reading manuals and playing the musical equivalent of Tetris on a piano roll .... it's all goes back into the "becoming better guitar player" pot instead of dabbling in piano roll editing and manual reading.)
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Cagey said:
I totally agree and will add that Ubuntu Studio is a great idea but I gave up dealing with it because it's not advanced enough to easily deal with 2 sound cards.
Any PC running Windows 7 and Reaper will give you way more power and control.
I, personally, have been a Cakewalk user since having a Pentium 100 with 32MB of ram on a laptop.
I used Sonar 4 for the last 10 years and I just upgraded to Sonar X3 two months ago and it's still a great program.
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Well I never said hack anything, but I get what you mean I work also in the networks field and have fiddled around with computers now to the point I can't be bothered to hobby on them any longer.
The R8 probably will do what you need once we get past wanting the one with the most specs. No point if they aren't used.
Windows 7 or 8 are both well worth a look for the DAW element of your set up. I've used Cubase for quite a while but good low cost options are Reaper or Presonus Studio One.
The R8 probably will do what you need once we get past wanting the one with the most specs. No point if they aren't used.
Windows 7 or 8 are both well worth a look for the DAW element of your set up. I've used Cubase for quite a while but good low cost options are Reaper or Presonus Studio One.
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Seeing R24's go for $300ish, sometimes lower on craigslist, so the track count just went back up. Lit a fire under me to get the Yammy 5 string up on Craigslist. Done!
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Taking inventory for CL, I started running into some questions about should it stay or should it go.
Currently I have:
M-Audio 1010LT interface
Behringer Eurorack UB1204-Pro mixer
Tapco Mix 100 mixer (my old mixer)
Behringer Composer Pro-XL (stereo compressor)
Yamaha PB1
and a patchbay.
Obviously the old tapco can go.
The compressor can probably go as the Zoom has built in compression, and it's a pretty basic compressor - it's not like it's some highly sought after character compressor.
Keeping or selling the PB-1 is sort of orthogonal to the studio question. I'm thinking though I should sell it as it actually has some value. I have an old Carvin PB100 amp with one working power amp channel if I need to make noise.
I bought the Eurorack mostly for preamps and routing with the PC recording setup.
The M-audio interface can go. I may even have a Delta-44 in the closet but it won't be as desirable as a 1010LT. OTOH it does give me a MIDI input.
So... do I really need to keep any of it? Or just go clean slate? (And I'm keeping the Yamaha G-50 MIDI converter. The GK-3 is still on the list, once I can record again.
Currently I have:
M-Audio 1010LT interface
Behringer Eurorack UB1204-Pro mixer
Tapco Mix 100 mixer (my old mixer)
Behringer Composer Pro-XL (stereo compressor)
Yamaha PB1
and a patchbay.
Obviously the old tapco can go.
The compressor can probably go as the Zoom has built in compression, and it's a pretty basic compressor - it's not like it's some highly sought after character compressor.
Keeping or selling the PB-1 is sort of orthogonal to the studio question. I'm thinking though I should sell it as it actually has some value. I have an old Carvin PB100 amp with one working power amp channel if I need to make noise.
I bought the Eurorack mostly for preamps and routing with the PC recording setup.
The M-audio interface can go. I may even have a Delta-44 in the closet but it won't be as desirable as a 1010LT. OTOH it does give me a MIDI input.
So... do I really need to keep any of it? Or just go clean slate? (And I'm keeping the Yamaha G-50 MIDI converter. The GK-3 is still on the list, once I can record again.
I have pretty much a big fat red line drawn between the two functions of recording (as I see it). One is as a practice tool - making up (reasonable) practice tracks, trying out ideas for harmonies and matching certain tones in unexpected ways with certain types of backgrounds - this can be high, gruesome 3am fun. And the other use would be to be capable of recording a more-or-less professional-sounding track for someone else's project. And for either of these uses, realistically with just "consumer-grade" stuff I have vast amounts of overkill sitting here. Probably half the forum has a "better" rig than was used to record "Sgt. Peppers" and "Layla" and "Led Zepp 4"... it's fun to gas about this stuff, and maybe for some to "collect", but I just don't get that big a treat out of a little glowing box as out of a curvaceous sweet li'l guitar.
So how's that SONG coming.... :evil4: :evil4: :evil4:
I rank the created "need" for pedalboards - for people who have never played a gig in their life and never will - right up there with bottled tap water and $4 Starbucks coffee. Shawn Hammond at Premier Guitar had quite a fun little column on that, how there's nothing older than two years on his board. $300 for a fuzztone designed to sound as awful as possible, a gleaming new $400 Strymon doodad specifically imitating a malfunctioning old Echoplex's barfing noises.... and a home studio? Granted, there are marvelous pieces of music coming out all over the place, but a lot of people get so busy replacing things and "upgrading" and "reviewing" it on YouTube - ?-?-?-? - they forget to practice, and WRITE, music. Crank, crank, cran.... ar arg gglg
So how's that SONG coming.... :evil4: :evil4: :evil4:
I rank the created "need" for pedalboards - for people who have never played a gig in their life and never will - right up there with bottled tap water and $4 Starbucks coffee. Shawn Hammond at Premier Guitar had quite a fun little column on that, how there's nothing older than two years on his board. $300 for a fuzztone designed to sound as awful as possible, a gleaming new $400 Strymon doodad specifically imitating a malfunctioning old Echoplex's barfing noises.... and a home studio? Granted, there are marvelous pieces of music coming out all over the place, but a lot of people get so busy replacing things and "upgrading" and "reviewing" it on YouTube - ?-?-?-? - they forget to practice, and WRITE, music. Crank, crank, cran.... ar arg gglg
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Believe it or not stub, this exercise is aimed at purging gadgets, getting a box with play record, rewind and a few sliders, and making music. I'm playing a lot of dyad voicings. And I want to start working on how to weave them through supporting parts. And writing. I
And transcribing whole songs (lay down original and replace parts until a passable facsimile remains)
So yeah.. Maybe it should all go. It turns out he PB1 has appreciated handsomely since I bought it. I already have it up on craigslist. But my boy is already a music nut. And I'd still be mad if I found out my daddy bought a classic amp/guitar for peanuts and sold it for three peanuts when I was a toddler, when it was worth a used car today.
And transcribing whole songs (lay down original and replace parts until a passable facsimile remains)
So yeah.. Maybe it should all go. It turns out he PB1 has appreciated handsomely since I bought it. I already have it up on craigslist. But my boy is already a music nut. And I'd still be mad if I found out my daddy bought a classic amp/guitar for peanuts and sold it for three peanuts when I was a toddler, when it was worth a used car today.
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Two Zoom R24's on local CL for $325-330. Have a potential buyer for the bass, as soon as I have cash in hand, I'm going to turn it into a zoom.
Perhaps the best thing to come of this has been, this gear acquisition has turned into the 'Great Music Crap Purge of 2014'. Selling all sorts of cruft that isn't "gotta have it" keepers, doesn't work for my style/usage/taste, etc... Most of it I don't feel like shipping. But basically I'm keeping 1) My guitars. 2) My Carvin X-60C. 3) My Carvin PB200. And any homebrew gear, because a) it doesn't sell for crap, and b) the super compact 115 I built in college actually sounds quite good for good solid p-bass thunk.
Once I got a chance to crank it, I decided I liked it so much, that I might want to make it a 215 (it's VERY compact. Like 1.7 ft^3) 100db 1w/1m, f3 @ 50 Hz. Even in a 215 it would still be sorta compact. It's built on a driver no longer available, but it turns out pretty darn close to the Eminence Delta 15. I started getting the bug because the amp is only 160W, and one channel wasn't working, so it's 80W. But I just fixed it tonight.
Perhaps the best thing to come of this has been, this gear acquisition has turned into the 'Great Music Crap Purge of 2014'. Selling all sorts of cruft that isn't "gotta have it" keepers, doesn't work for my style/usage/taste, etc... Most of it I don't feel like shipping. But basically I'm keeping 1) My guitars. 2) My Carvin X-60C. 3) My Carvin PB200. And any homebrew gear, because a) it doesn't sell for crap, and b) the super compact 115 I built in college actually sounds quite good for good solid p-bass thunk.
Once I got a chance to crank it, I decided I liked it so much, that I might want to make it a 215 (it's VERY compact. Like 1.7 ft^3) 100db 1w/1m, f3 @ 50 Hz. Even in a 215 it would still be sorta compact. It's built on a driver no longer available, but it turns out pretty darn close to the Eminence Delta 15. I started getting the bug because the amp is only 160W, and one channel wasn't working, so it's 80W. But I just fixed it tonight.
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As I moved along learning how to use my BR1180, I found that with the lack of reliable midi syncing, it was more of a very powerful sketch pad than a legitimate recording device. I was able to minimize gear by using my DAW and some plugins, and when I went on vacation I threw the BR1180 into a bag with some headphones, grabbed a guitar case, and added that to my luggage. For capturing ideas on the fly, it's great for that, but I didn't find that the tones created in there translated across to the DAW transparently, but at least it helped me get the idea out of my head so that I could sleep.
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Got a used R24 tonight. Took me longer than i will admit in public to figure out the reason it wouldnt make any noise was i needed to wake up the slider by moving it. the effects are kinda surprising. most multieffects units are rather cartoonish in their settings, particularly gain settings. With some minor tweaking I was able to get a nice chunky mid gain JCM800ish tone and lay down some tracks.
Its also awakening to hear yourself recorded with a click track and hear how bad you suck. Oh well. I do have ideas, but one of the things i want to use it heavily for right away is getting better. Part of that is using a multitrack to transcribe whole tunes, not just the guitar parts.
Its also awakening to hear yourself recorded with a click track and hear how bad you suck. Oh well. I do have ideas, but one of the things i want to use it heavily for right away is getting better. Part of that is using a multitrack to transcribe whole tunes, not just the guitar parts.
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Congratulations and have fun with it.
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swarfrat said:
That's why you always practice with a metronome. Most players think they have good timing, while few actually do.
It's funny - along those same lines, there's a thread on the Fractal forum right now where a couple guys are complaining that the Axe Fx "tap tempo" button is inaccurate because it doesn't match their timing. As if dual 600Mhz DSPs would not be as accurate as their foot-tapping.
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I don't always. But I do try. But listening to what you played with a click after the fact is just as instructive
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swarfrat said:
It's instructive in that it tells you that you should be practicing with a metronome. Listening to yourself play out of time will never get you in time.
That said, you will develop a good sense of time by practicing in time, so you can knock off the training wheels when playing live. Then you can bitch at everybody else :laughing7:
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Actually, what I meant was, even when you're playing with a metronome, you're probably not as tight as you think you are. Putting the guitar down adds some objectiveness.
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