Skunk stripe on two-piece Vintage/Modern necks?No,thank you!

[Jusatele]

that is 30 plus instruments not 30 years, all bought from Warmoth
He should be back, after all it is the internet, by next week no one will care what anyone else said.  It is the nature of the beast. I mean a bunch of guys you never met, all claiming to be something hard to prove, typing in a forum living their dreams. It is amazing anyone gets along. You could say anything as you will never meet face to face.
But I will back down and watch it develop.

On another fourm in another interest category, I have met most of the forumites there and it is quite a funny thing that 6 years later most of us still socialise when our paths cross. Barring the odd hissy fit and handbags at 20 paces, we all respect the fact we hold different opinions ona subject near and dear to all of us. In fact, this weekend, I'll be spending a whole weekend with this bunch in another State of Australia.

Here's the reason for the trip!
http://www.a-league.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=39294

that is a regional sport forum,kinda different from an international guitar parts forum. I have local jeep forums I know most the guys on.we go out jeeping, it seems unlikely that I would ever meet anyone besides those who live close here, After all we do not have Assembly events or such.

 

[Cletus]

You guys are going to scare people from posting.... :toothy11:

I'm trying hard not to Gregg, but his first post comes across rather Kreig-ish....very opinionated and telling us that it's just not good enough for him.

There's barely a question within that first post or an offer to debate their views, merely a statement of sorts. So, OK, we take what this person says on board, now what? :tard:

Who's Kreig Pete?

 

[pabloman]

Hissy fits and handbags :laughing3:  Gotta love u guys from a..................... Down under :headbang:

 

[OzziePete]

Hissy fits and handbags :laughing3:  Gotta love u guys from a..................... Down under :headbang:

When you get passionate football supporters all acting like they manage the team, believe me the arguments about player selections is quite hilarious... and in some cases, the reason why a player is not on someone's list is because they didn't say Hi to them the other day when they passed the player in the shopping mall.

Also funny seeing one forumite's analysis of the game you watched, often you'd swear they watched a different game given their bias on one player or another.Again a hot topic for plenty of argument.

The player that got us into this Grand Final (Adam Kwasnik) has been pilloried by plenty of supporters over the years, yet he is the nicest of guys, has settled well into the area and gives his all on the field. Technically he's not a David Beckham or Lionel Messi, but he tries when others stop running for the ball or pull out of situations where they might be beyond their abilities. At least Kwassi gives it a go, but he then gets shown up as a goose if he can't pull it off. Then his deriders will yell at him, while others will support his efforts. :doh: And yes, I really am considering hiring a kilt, but it might be a bit hot for that! :laughing7:

You guys are going to scare people from posting.... :toothy11:

I'm trying hard not to Gregg, but his first post comes across rather Kreig-ish....very opinionated and telling us that it's just not good enough for him.

There's barely a question within that first post or an offer to debate their views, merely a statement of sorts. So, OK, we take what this person says on board, now what? :tard:

Who's Kreig Pete?

Read this Thread to get an idea about someone being opinionated....

http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=5846.0

 

[pabloman]

That thread was great! :headbang1:  Poor guy was just tryin to give some lessons. As soon as I saw that tele he lost all credibility with me.  :guitaristgif:

 

[back2thefutre]

That's what she said.

 

[Mucho]

Sorry guys if I rattled your cages too much.I just ment to say:it's difficult to quit doing something you got used to.I also believe I have the right to say or write what I like or dislike.I dislike skunk stripes on two-piece necks,and no matter what you say I'm not going to change my mind.To get my point across I'll post a few snapshots of a v.1 Warmoth Vintage/Modern neck,a highly flamed Koa neck with a Brazilian Rosewood fingerboard.My opinion is that it would be a crime to mess up such a nice piece of wood with a walnut (or whatever) stripe and plug.It would also make the final product look cheaper (an American Standard Strat/Tele comes to mind).Wouldn't you agree?

 

[-CB-]

As a luthier,I've built around 30 instruments using Warmoth necks and bodies exclusively.

Stretch of the term "luthier"... but welcome aboard. 

+1 on the clearer communication

 

[Jusatele]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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"Violin maker" redirects here. For the 1915 silent film, see The Violin Maker.
For the Argentinian comedy musical group, see Les Luthiers.

A luthier (pronounced /ˈluːtiəɹ/ LOO-ti-ər[1]) is someone who makes or repairs stringed instruments. In the United States, the term is used interchangeably with a term for the specialty of each maker, such as violinmaker, guitar maker, lute maker, etc. The word luthier comes from the French word luth, which means "lute".

The craft of making string instruments, or lutherie, is commonly divided into two main categories: makers of stringed instruments that are plucked or strummed and makers of stringed instruments that are bowed.[2] Since bowed instruments require a bow, the second category includes a subtype known as a bow maker or archetier.

So it covers repair guys as well as makers, so If you were assembling warmoth parts and doing the electronics and neck set ups/fret jobs I guess you could say you were a luthier seeing how you at that point would probably be able to repair anything on the guitar.
I can see how we could say, " Well they need to be able to build a body and neck. " also

actaully, I will be able to build a neck soon, I am hooking up a cnc machine for my luthier, so I want to do that once just to say I have, but I like my warmoth stuff, Click click send, wait for it to arrive. Assemble

 

[pabloman]

I love when people quote a website that anyone can change the content on as back up for their arguments. You can quote definitions all you want but anybody with true integrity would not dare call themselves a luthier unless they truly were. Besides on that neck I don't think a skunk stripe would detract from that neck anymore than those ugly tuners. :icon_biggrin:

 

[Jusatele]

I did not quote that to say I was a luthier, I am the first person to say I have assembled a guitar, ONCE and that I sent to a lutier to do a setup/fret job because I do not know how to.
I was just clearing up the definition.

I think a person should be able to build a guitar from scratch to be considered a luthier. and not just an electric, a acoustic also. I rebuild Jeeps CJs as a hobby, rebuild the tubs welding in new metal, rebuild the entire drive trains, but I would never call myself a mechanic, a amatuer mechanic because I dabble in it, but a true mechanic has years of study, such as a luthier should.

 

[pabloman]

I would consider what you do to be more of a builder. For me the term is the same for cars and guitars. It touches on repair and assembly and fabrication. To me a mechanic/technician is someone who repairs and adjusts, again for cars and guitars. Before I started working in mental and behavioral health I went to school to be a mechanic. I worked at an independent shop in Dallas for 5 years and then I moved back to Pueblo and worked at a Nissan/Subaru dealer for another 6. All I did was diagnose, repair, install, and adjust. I had to wait until I got home to build.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Sorry guys if I rattled your cages too much.I just ment to say:it's difficult to quit doing something you got used to.I also believe I have the right to say or write what I like or dislike.I dislike skunk stripes on two-piece necks,and no matter what you say I'm not going to change my mind.To get my point across I'll post a few snapshots of a v.1 Warmoth Vintage/Modern neck,a highly flamed Koa neck with a Brazilian Rosewood fingerboard.My opinion is that it would be a crime to mess up such a nice piece of wood with a walnut (or whatever) stripe and plug.It would also make the final product look cheaper (an American Standard Strat/Tele comes to mind).Wouldn't you agree?

You're still in luck.  Like mentioned earlier, it seems the Vintage Modern is not what you are after if wanting a 2-piece neck and no skunk stripe.  The Total Vintage or even Warmoth Pro (straight peghead) offer no adjustment at the headstock and no skunk stripe.

Cheers, and thanks for the patience and sense of humor with us.

 

[-CB-]

Frank Ford, arguably the best guitar repairman on this planet, says he is not a luthier, but just a guitar repairman.  He reserves the term for those who actually make guitars.  Thats his way of looking at it, with his very down to earth and quite pleasant demeanor.

I cant consider anyone who buys all the parts off the shelf, puts a finish on them, and assembles them, a luthier.  Sorry, it doesn't fit.  At best, they're a technician.  That includes me.

When you carve your own bodies and necks, lay out all the frets, calculate the bridge position, work out all the details from nothing more than raw wood, and end up with a fine instrument - then you're a luthier.  And thats my way of looking at it, with my down to earth, and quite pleasant demeanor.

Humbug.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

I just ment to say:it's difficult to quit doing something you got used to.  I dislike skunk stripes on two-piece necks,and no matter what you say I'm not going to change my mind.  To get my point across I'll post a few snapshots of a v.1 Warmoth Vintage/Modern neck,a highly flamed Koa neck with a Brazilian Rosewood fingerboard.

That doesn't look to be a Vintage Modern neck.

 

[OzziePete]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
"Violin maker" redirects here. For the 1915 silent film, see The Violin Maker.
For the Argentinian comedy musical group, see Les Luthiers.

A luthier (pronounced /ˈluːtiəɹ/ LOO-ti-ər[1]) is someone who makes or repairs stringed instruments. In the United States, the term is used interchangeably with a term for the specialty of each maker, such as violinmaker, guitar maker, lute maker, etc. The word luthier comes from the French word luth, which means "lute".

The craft of making string instruments, or lutherie, is commonly divided into two main categories: makers of stringed instruments that are plucked or strummed and makers of stringed instruments that are bowed.[2] Since bowed instruments require a bow, the second category includes a subtype known as a bow maker or archetier.

So it covers repair guys as well as makers, so If you were assembling warmoth parts and doing the electronics and neck set ups/fret jobs I guess you could say you were a luthier seeing how you at that point would probably be able to repair anything on the guitar.
I can see how we could say, " Well they need to be able to build a body and neck. " also

actaully, I will be able to build a neck soon, I am hooking up a cnc machine for my luthier, so I want to do that once just to say I have, but I like my warmoth stuff, Click click send, wait for it to arrive. Assemble

OK so that is a definition, but I would tend to be cautious about applying that term to someone who a) doesn't do the work for a living and b) has had no formal training. You only have to talk to a genuine luthier to appreciate the fact that these people have spent a lot of time learning how all the woods and building techniques work, and are best applied, and how to get things done so the instrument is brilliant. It is also knowing what CAN'T be done that is important too.

I would also suggest that that particular inclusion of 'repairing instruments' was applied to the profession before the advent of mass production techniques, the electric guitar & modular design.

In other words, 'back in the day', the instrument would get broken, you would take it to the local luthier and 4 weeks or so later you would have your instrument back in good shape. The luthier, back then, would assess the repair, build the required parts or source them from very specialised manufacturers or tradesmen, and make sure they fitted perfectly to the instrument.

 

[Miskatonic]

Frank Ford, arguably the best guitar repairman on this planet, says he is not a luthier, but just a guitar repairman.  He reserves the term for those who actually make guitars.  Thats his way of looking at it, with his very down to earth and quite pleasant demeanor.

I cant consider anyone who buys all the parts off the shelf, puts a finish on them, and assembles them, a luthier.  Sorry, it doesn't fit.  At best, they're a technician.  That includes me.

When you carve your own bodies and necks, lay out all the frets, calculate the bridge position, work out all the details from nothing more than raw wood, and end up with a fine instrument - then you're a luthier.   And thats my way of looking at it, with my down to earth, and quite pleasant demeanor.

Humbug.

:icon_thumright:

 

[SustainerPlayer]

I prefer guitar-alchemist. Thank you!

 

[Jusatele]

I think it is hard to define, the guy I have work on my guitar builds guitars, but not a lot, just a few and he makes the bodies, but I have seen a few necks he made, but he says that there are to many good necks you can buy.
Pablo has a good point about mechanics, he has professional experience,but as a builder that was at home. I never worked professionally on Jeeps but I still restore them.
CB makes a good point about repair and building from scratch.
Wiki says it is either

anyway, this is a thread hijack, I think we need to get back to the original post which it looks like Turbo is addressing quite well

 

[NovasScootYa]

The 'total vintage' construction has what you want.
E.g. Maple back with RW board and no skunk stripe & truss rod adjustment at the heel...

Yes,I am aware of those,but no 22 fret option.That's what's missing!

Btw. I love the big CBS-style headstocks.
But I'm into Blackmore and YJM...

I have nothing against those guys,mind you.Blackmore was/is one of my heroes.Hendrix played big headstocks too.David Gilmour's Black Strat had a big headstock initially.In the late 60's and early 70's those were the latest models.But things started going South with thick urethane finishes,Mazac tremolo bridges,cast saddles,the Micro-Tilt thing,wide neck pockets...That's when people started realizing the difference between the old and the new.

Some say things started going south when Fender elected to speed up production in 1963 and coat their bodies with Polyester and then apply Nitro. FullerPlast was also used along the way. Whoever started the CBS bashing probably didn’t know how to use a screwdriver much less understand how to tighten a neck pocket.  I’ve doctored a few and I also developed a kit that attaches a Pro-Construction neck to a 3-Bolt Strat or Tele Deluxe body.
I’ve seen Ritchie Blackmore throw a 3-Bolt very high in the air and catch it without losing a tooth. I had one guy on this forum say Ritchie had a special one. Maybe so, ‘70s bodies weighed anywhere from around 4 to 8 lbs., I don’t suspect his was one of those on the high side.
I also like the classy bullet truss rod, 3 bolt neck plate and especially the big headstock, feels better to me over the smaller one, I’ve built many of both but currently build nothing but 3-Bolts. Admittedly I have a very special contoured heel Strat in the cooker and will post it upon completion, one of one.
I used to use only Vintage Modern until the day I tried Pro Construction and never looked back. IMO it is necessary to use the fattest profile you can handle for Pro necks, the more wood the better that includes adding the CBS headstock.
What’s ironic are those who tried to tell me all about how Leo really didn’t like the 3-Bolt yada, yada. But the funny thing is G&L used the 3-Bolt Micro Tilt on  their Legacy model. I understand G&L made the pocket deeper but the word is the G&L 3-Bolt Legacy is preferred over the G&L 4 Bolt Legacy.
I know what you mean about thick finishes, shipping production to Japan, shipping production to Mexico and the look-a-like parts you have to sift through. But with all the top shelf select parts available today you can build a first class instrument. Warmoth has a new traditional body to go with a vintage neck.