Size difference between Velocity and Soloist

[aarontunes]

@theaaron....how about some full body shots of those 2 new guitars?!?!?

 

[aarontunes]

I figured that I would keep the Velocity questions in one thread I had already started.

I'd like to know if the pickup positions (if it were an HH) are the same as you'd get from a Soloist, or an HH Strat body. Looking at finished Velocity bodies, it looks like the neck & bridge pickups are closer together. The big thing for me is that the neck pickup is the same distance from the bridge as other body styles. It could be an optical illusion. If anyone has a Velocity, could you measure from the bridge saddle to the screw pole of the neck humbucker?

The pickup positions are in the exact same locations on all of our standard 25-1/2" scale length bodies.

 

[Mincer]

The pickup positions are in the exact same locations on all of our standard 25-1/2" scale length bodies.

Thank you Aaron. Not actually holding one, that was hard to tell. due to the compact body size, they look squished together.

 

[Wolfie351]

When W released the Velocity I threw up a little in my mouth when I saw it.  Then it kinda grew on me...

Mouth throw-up has a tendency to do that.

Ok, now THAT was funny.  :laughing7:  Oh, quick question, any chance of releasing the Meadowhawk before Christmas?  Scuttlebutt says it plays a mean Bobby Helms  :glasses10: 

 

[Mincer]

The pickup positions are in the exact same locations on all of our standard 25-1/2" scale length bodies.

While insomnia has me thinking about physics, this reminds me of something: If a Velocity body is routed for 2 humbuckers, those should be in the same position as the 2 humbucker cavities in a Soloist body, I am guessing. OK, if you use a 24.75" conversion neck, obviously the bridge and neck pickup cavity doesn't move (this is important to my question, I promise). The nut moves closer to the bridge. The frets move too, so the 12th fret can be a harmonic and it can play in tune. Since the neck pickup doesn't move, however, the harmonic node is no longer over the screws of the pickup (where a phantom 24th fret would be), right? So the neck pickup isn't in the same place as it would be on, say, an LP. It is slightly off (not as much as a 24 fret pickup relocation would make it, but still off). This would most likely change the sound of the neck pickup, I am guessing.

If I am wrong in my thinking, let me know. I've sold guitars where the neck pickup didn't sound right- and I always traced it to being in a different place where it would hear a slightly different part of the string.

 

[JohnnyHardtail]

You are suggesting the screw pole of the neck humbucker needs to be precisely mid point between the bridge saddle and the 12th fret.
For a 25.5" scale it makes this position 25.5"/4 = 6.375" from the 12th fret.
For a 24.75" scale it makes this position  24.75"/4 = 6.188" from the 12th fret.

On my HH Warmoth guitar with 25.5" neck:
The neck humbucker screw pole measures as 6.18" from the high e bridge saddle and 6.57" from the 12th fret.

If the conversion neck is 3/4 inch shorter at the nut, and the saddle position remains the same:
The neck humbucker screw pole will remain 6.18" from the high e bridge saddle and become 6.20" from the 12th fret.
(I do not know if the saddles need to be adjusted when using a conversion neck)

Have you measured a LP guitar to confirm if the same measurement applies? 

 

[Unwound G]

Here's a visual appreciation of the largest body and the smallest body Warmoth makes.....

 

[rauchman]

Here's a visual appreciation of the largest body and the smallest body Warmoth makes.....

Thanks for that.

I have a Velocity body being made at the moment, but that Mooncaster is very intriguing.  How is the upper register access on the Mooncaster?

 

[dmraco]

Not bad at all.  The contoured heel helps

 

[aarontunes]

While insomnia has me thinking about physics, this reminds me of something: If a Velocity body is routed for 2 humbuckers, those should be in the same position as the 2 humbucker cavities in a Soloist body, I am guessing. OK, if you use a 24.75" conversion neck, obviously the bridge and neck pickup cavity doesn't move (this is important to my question, I promise). The nut moves closer to the bridge. The frets move too, so the 12th fret can be a harmonic and it can play in tune. Since the neck pickup doesn't move, however, the harmonic node is no longer over the screws of the pickup (where a phantom 24th fret would be), right? So the neck pickup isn't in the same place as it would be on, say, an LP. It is slightly off (not as much as a 24 fret pickup relocation would make it, but still off). This would most likely change the sound of the neck pickup, I am guessing.

If I am wrong in my thinking, let me know. I've sold guitars where the neck pickup didn't sound right- and I always traced it to being in a different place where it would hear a slightly different part of the string.

What you're saying is true, but from a practical standpoint it doesn't make any more tonal difference than a million other things.


[youtube]https://youtu.be/PHY4AD55wuM[/youtube]


I know what you mean when you say the sound of the neck pickup can change depending on its location. I observe this the most on 24 fret guitars, when the neck pickup is move closer to the bridge. With a Conversion Neck, the pickup ends up positioned closer to the nut, and the change isn't as great.

 

[aarontunes]

Oh, quick question, any chance of releasing the Meadowhawk before Christmas?  Scuttlebutt says it plays a mean Bobby Helms  :glasses10:

We are trying, but not sure if it's going to happen. There is still so much to do, and we are so busy that getting extra projects done is proving difficult. I sent the first five to photography yesterday. We'll see.

 

[rauchman]

While insomnia has me thinking about physics, this reminds me of something: If a Velocity body is routed for 2 humbuckers, those should be in the same position as the 2 humbucker cavities in a Soloist body, I am guessing. OK, if you use a 24.75" conversion neck, obviously the bridge and neck pickup cavity doesn't move (this is important to my question, I promise). The nut moves closer to the bridge. The frets move too, so the 12th fret can be a harmonic and it can play in tune. Since the neck pickup doesn't move, however, the harmonic node is no longer over the screws of the pickup (where a phantom 24th fret would be), right? So the neck pickup isn't in the same place as it would be on, say, an LP. It is slightly off (not as much as a 24 fret pickup relocation would make it, but still off). This would most likely change the sound of the neck pickup, I am guessing.

If I am wrong in my thinking, let me know. I've sold guitars where the neck pickup didn't sound right- and I always traced it to being in a different place where it would hear a slightly different part of the string.

What you're saying is true, but from a practical standpoint it doesn't make any more tonal difference than a million other things.


[youtube]https://youtu.be/PHY4AD55wuM[/youtube]


I know what you mean when you say the sound of the neck pickup can change depending on its location. I observe this the most on 24 fret guitars, when the neck pickup is move closer to the bridge. With a Conversion Neck, the pickup ends up positioned closer to the nut, and the change isn't as great.

Excellent vid as always.  I found the same tonality differences with the 24.75".  I noticed a thicker fuller sound.

 

[JohnL2112]

Oh, quick question, any chance of releasing the Meadowhawk before Christmas?  Scuttlebutt says it plays a mean Bobby Helms  :glasses10:

We are trying, but not sure if it's going to happen. There is still so much to do, and we are so busy that getting extra projects done is proving difficult. I sent the first five to photography yesterday. We'll see.

@Aaron Ahhhh!! any chance you can release more detailed pictures or specs? I am super on the fence re: buying something I design with a regular heel, vs rounded heel joint + something you guys cook up specs wise.

 

[aarontunes]

Sorry, all you get is teaser pics until we release them for sale. You can find a few more on our Instagram page. I will say they are top-shelf stuff throughout, with full The Aaron specs. Bare Knuckle pickups, primo Gotoh tuners, etc. Lots of features you won't find on anything else Warmoth does.

 

[Unwound G]

Here's a visual appreciation of the largest body and the smallest body Warmoth makes.....

Thanks for that.

I have a Velocity body being made at the moment, but that Mooncaster is very intriguing.  How is the upper register access on the Mooncaster?

Similar to a Tele where unobstructed reach on the upper bout ends at the 17th fret.