Showcase floyd nut shelf difference from R3 R4 etc etc

[Cederick]

Sometimes I see a "blank floyd shelf" in the Showcase and wonder whats the different between that and lets say a R3 WITHOUT mounting holes?

Is the shelf higher?

I know from experience (2 times) that if I order a neck with R4 and mounting holes, an R4 locking nut will have a good really low action above first fret if using one 0.1mm shim

But if I would buy a neck from showcase with a blank shelf, would a R4 nut be too high?!

I absolutely hate off-the shelf Floyd guitars, because in 90% of the cases, the floyd shelf is too high, and the nut can't be lowered easy at all. I really dont get why they (I'm actually talking about Jackson Pros, Charvel San Dimas etc etc I've tried in local stores) dont just have the shelf a bit too low, and then add a couple of 0.1mm shims so the customer can easily get the action low enough.

Okay thats off-topic, but I REALLY dont get why they dont do that.

 

[dmraco]

Has nothing to do with height. It's all about width. 
R2 works on 1 5/8 nut width
R3 and R4 works on 1 11/16.  R3 is for narrow spacing.  It brings the strings closer together.  R4 is regular string spacing
R5 is for 1 3/4

All of my warmoth Floyd shelfs have been spot on.  There was only one I had to take off some material.

Good luck

 

[Cederick]

1. Sorry, but thats not what I asked about, I asked about how deep the unspecified "generic floyd shelf" is?    :dontknow:

2. Also, you're actually wrong. Most Floyd nuts have completely different heights.

 

[stratamania]

Aren't those heights related to the height of the D string relative to the radius and width of nut ?

I suppose that might inform to a degree the depth of shelf needed. So perhaps there isn't a generic depth theoretically but there may be one that some manufacturers use to get in the ball park.

 

[Cederick]

I never thought about it that was, I was sure it was actual height, so maybe I'm wrong  :icon_jokercolor:

However, several nuts with 10" have different heights, so...

Yeah, I'm not sure.

DMRACO, I'm sorry I said "you're wrong" with full self confidence because I was so sure on this... And have been for years haha

 

[stratamania]

So here we go. I thought I had read something at one time about this.

http://www.kramerforum.com/floydrose/

If you scroll down to the nut installation part the answer is there in figure 6.

 

[dmraco]

taught me something.  I have only seen the R2-R5.  Who knew.

To answer your original question.  I think all Warmoths shelfs are the same depth.  So you should be good.  if it worked the 1st time, it will likely work the second time.

Also stay consistent with the locking nut.  Cheap Chinese knock offs will likely have different tolerances than the real things

 

[pabloman]

Almost all the nuts have a 10" radius. The width shouldn't affect the string height.  :dontknow:

 

[Cederick]

taught me something.  I have only seen the R2-R5.  Who knew.

To answer your original question.  I think all Warmoths shelfs are the same depth.  So you should be good.  if it worked the 1st time, it will likely work the second time.

Also stay consistent with the locking nut.  Cheap Chinese knock offs will likely have different tolerances than the real things

But if they have the same depth, what is the difference between (I still have no asnwer for this)

Generic Floyd Shelf
R3 without mounting holes
R4 without mounting holes

The ones with mounting holes are obvious, but those three, I just cant figure out the difference  :dontknow:

 

[dmraco]

that is a good question.  On W can answer.  I did not realize that was listed like that as an option

 

[stratamania]

Floyd nuts can be fitted in two ways, mounting holes with bolts screwed in from the back and no mounting holes have screws that screw into the neck from above.

 

[Cederick]

Floyd nuts can be fitted in two ways, mounting holes with bolts screwed in from the back and no mounting holes have screws that screw into the neck from above.

Yes but that doesn't answer the original question

Nobody seems to understand what I'm asking about :laughing11:

 

[stratamania]

Then what are you asking ?

The difference between R3 and R4 was answered earlier, it's the spacing of the string regardless of how its mounted.

Perhaps provide a link to a photo or diagram of what it is you want to know about. 

 

[Cederick]

Then what are you asking ?

The difference between R3 and R4 was answered earlier, it's the spacing of the string regardless of how its mounted.

Perhaps provide a link to a photo or diagram of what it is you want to know about.

I want to know the DIFFERENCE IN DEPTH between a "generic floyd shelf" and the R3 and R4 WITHOUT MOUNTING HOLES.

Why is there even a R3 and R4 option? If they are the same except string width? It's not like it's changing the width of the actual neck, that's another option (for example, 1 11/16 neck width doesn't change whether you choose R3 or R4, the string width is on the NUT ONLY)

The mounting holes are the same on R3 and R4, then why is those even two different options? It's not like the contruction of the nut shelf is going to affect the string spacing

Oh my god is this hard to get through!!!  :tard: :sad1:

People keep answering on compeltely different stuff than I ask about, it's very frustrating

 

[stratamania]

Cedrick, I know you are not a native English speaker but please try to rein in how you are speaking to other members of the forum.

Using words in UPPER CASE does not make the meaning different. It's bad etiquette towards those who are trying to help you. Please stop telling people they are wrong and so forth due to your frustrations.

As much information as possible that could answer your questions has already been given.

Youv'e even answered at least one of your own questions. The difference between R3 and R4 is string spacing. So one has less chance of your strings slipping off the edge of the fingerboard if that's an area of concern.

There probably is no difference in depth for a shelf for a nut of a particular size regardless of its method of mounting.

The method of mounting has no bearing on the physical size / depth of the nut and therefore no bearing on the depth of shelf.

 

[ByteFrenzy]

Can somebody then please just explain what we should understand by a 'generic floyd shelf'?

And frankly, if I look at the Kramer forum page which was linked earlier, it clearly shows a difference between the depth of the shelf for an R3, which should be .265 below the level of the frets, and that for an R4, which should be .215 below the level of the frets.

 

[Logrinn]

Perhaps an email sent to Warmoth would yield some answers ...

 

[SustainerPlayer]

I guess generic means that the shelf can be modified to fit the height any of the nuts in question.

This was the case with my latest neck with a generic shelf.