real 24 fret neck

[po_0784]

Warmoth obviously built prototypes of these instruments and tested for playability and tone before they released the parts for public consumption. It's like people saying if it's not exactly like Fender made in 1962, it's junk.

Warmoth has plans to expand neck and body offerings but it takes time. We are operating at max compacity right now so we are concentrating on efficientcy for the immediate future. But I do agree it would be great to cover the bases in the configurations you're talking about.

Max capacity  , dont start any R/D on those 24 frets before my ordered neck is finished. Just joking  :icon_thumright:

I personnaly wouldn't be much interested in seing an "exact" copy of an ibanez body or neck. Just the neck heel design. If you do make one of those body one day, do your own custom shape  :icon_thumright:.

 

[Mor Paul]

One time, didn't Paul McCartney and Gregg Allman play above the ends of the neck or something?

EDIT: Nope. It was Clapton and Duane Allman. In the recording for Layla...
"By placing his slide at points beyond the end of the fretboard, Allman was able to play notes at a higher pitch than could be played with standard technique. Tom Dowd referred to this as "notes that aren't on the instrument!"[7]"
-Wikipedia

 

[po_0784]

Hahaha, I did use this technique before using a silver rounded ring on my 3rd finger. Could do some funny tapping at frets"26" & "27"

 

[stubhead]

Then again, you're allowed to buy an Ibanez too... Brand loyalty is a funny thing, if it's keeping you from purchasing what you want. I have a 7-string Ibanez RG7421 that's a fine guitar, I play it a lot. If another company is making something that's musically useful to you, just do it? I build Warmoths to get guitars that are musically useful to me that I can't get anywhere else, like a scalloped-neck guitar with a bridge humbucker, a really high-grade small 24" scale guitar, a seven-string with non-locking whammy, a short-scale fretless.

I'm sort of glad that Warmoth isn't trying to make hollowbody jazz guitars, Danelectro clones etc. Though, I do have first dibs on the seven-string boatneck scalloped baritone neck - world peace would be nice too....

 

[po_0784]

Thats exactly why I came to warmoth, I want options  :icon_thumright:. I don't really care about the brand on the headstock, as long as it kick ass.

 

[thumb55]

Ok, am I missing something here?  The "real" issue isn't the 24 fret 25.5" scale neck.  Just because the fretboard has an overhang dosen't mean it isn't real.  it has the exact same scale and fret position as any 25.5" length neck right?  And the neck pickup position is always pushed back on any 24 fret guitar right? (at least any with a 25.5" scale length) I've never thought any of my Ibanez, Jackson, or Fender 24 fret guitars ever sounded quite like a real strat in the neck position by the way.

The neck joint is the real hang up...

A creative solution might be a Rusty Cooley'ish mod on a strat or soloist body with a contoured heal. 

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Ok, am I missing something here?  The "real" issue isn't the 24 fret 25.5" scale neck.  Just because the fretboard has an overhang dosen't mean it isn't real.  it has the exact same scale and fret position as any 25.5" length neck right?  And the neck pickup position is always pushed back on any 24 fret guitar right? (at least any with a 25.5" scale length) I've never thought any of my Ibanez, Jackson, or Fender 24 fret guitars ever sounded quite like a real strat in the neck position by the way.

The neck joint is the real hang up...

A creative solution might be a Rusty Cooley'ish mod on a strat or soloist body with a contoured heal. 

Well put.  It isn't the neck, it's the cutaway.

 

[DocNrock]

Ok, am I missing something here?  The "real" issue isn't the 24 fret 25.5" scale neck.  Just because the fretboard has an overhang dosen't mean it isn't real.  it has the exact same scale and fret position as any 25.5" length neck right?  And the neck pickup position is always pushed back on any 24 fret guitar right? (at least any with a 25.5" scale length) I've never thought any of my Ibanez, Jackson, or Fender 24 fret guitars ever sounded quite like a real strat in the neck position by the way.

The neck joint is the real hang up...

A creative solution might be a Rusty Cooley'ish mod on a strat or soloist body with a contoured heal. 

Well put.  It isn't the neck, it's the cutaway.

yup!

 

[DanDeTora]

generally most people would agree, Warmoth offering Ibanez parts would be the cats pajamas.

"Most people" doesn't include Ibanez, though - I hear they get really stinky about people offering upgraded RG bodies and all. :toothy12: It's called "copyright infringement" and some people care more than others

I realize the legality of offering knockoffs, and I wasn't suggesting Warmoth do so w/o consent from Ibanez.

 

[po_0784]

Ok, am I missing something here?  The "real" issue isn't the 24 fret 25.5" scale neck.  Just because the fretboard has an overhang dosen't mean it isn't real.  it has the exact same scale and fret position as any 25.5" length neck right?  And the neck pickup position is always pushed back on any 24 fret guitar right? (at least any with a 25.5" scale length) I've never thought any of my Ibanez, Jackson, or Fender 24 fret guitars ever sounded quite like a real strat in the neck position by the way.

The neck joint is the real hang up...

A creative solution might be a Rusty Cooley'ish mod on a strat or soloist body with a contoured heal. 

Yep, I was wrong about that whole topic. Sorry guys  :dontknow:. +1 to the cooley cutaway  :icon_thumright: As much as I don't really like the player, his guitar is awesome!

 

[VH3333]

I know this thread is old but I thought I would say that I agree completely with po_0784. I was going to get a Warmoth build but now I'm going with a ESP M-II. Having a Soloist body with the frets sticking far into the body and the neck pickup pushed back would look like awkward crap and the way a guitar looks is just as important as it sounds to me. On the ESP M-II the 24 fret neck looks awesome and the way its supposed too. One of the reasons I wanted to go with Warmoth was because its made in America and ESP is made in Japan but I don't care anymore. Most people say that you don't need 24 frets but me for I do. My first guitar was a cheap thing from China and it had 22 frets and it just didn't feel like there was enough frets and having the fretboard end short looks crappy compared to having another two dots at the end to go with the ones on the 12th fret make the guitar look complete. Also having 22 frets on a Soloist body or 2 humbuckers on a Strat body makes it look like a cheap crappy guitar because the pickups are about a mile away from each other. 24 frets on a Strat and not being able to have a neck pickup looks like crap also. 22 frets looks good on a Les Paul because it has a big body but these guitars have small bodies and having the pickups far away looks crappy while with 24 frets it looks the way better. Having HSS or HSH makes it look better though but I don't really want that. And yes I do know that 22 frets makes the neck pickup sound better because the string vibrates more the further away (which is why a Gibson L5 has 20 frets) but since I mostly use the bridge pickup I don't care about that.

 

[guitlouie]

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[thumb55]

If looks are all you are concerned with in a guitar this might not be the place (or company) for you.

I can only speak for myself but the beauty of Warmoth is that they give the average guy the chance to have a custom guitar (within reason)

I've had RG's, Jackson's, Fenders, Gibson's, Kramer's etc.....nothing (I've owned) sound's or plays as well as my Warmoth. IMO.

It has the right woods, bridge, pu's, frets, nut, neck shape, etc, etc, etc.

Time will only tell if the RG (or any 24 fret stratish guitar) will hold up.  They probably will by the way.

Warmoth pays for Fender trademark stuff.  Would it be cost effective to do the same with Ibanez?  ESP?  I don't really know.  I know a lot of their products are great affordable guitars.  They play nice, stay in tune, etc....

But how many people would buy a $300 RG body and a $300 Ibanez neck with no hardware or pickups when you can buy a Prestige for $1000 to $1200?

Maybe someday but for now go with what you want to...

 

[Mor Paul]

Having a Soloist body with the frets sticking far into the body and the neck pickup pushed back would look like awkward crap and the way a guitar looks is just as important as it sounds to me. On the ESP M-II the 24 fret neck looks awesome and the way its supposed too.

So.. you have a problem with the neck pickup being pushed back, right? But the ESP, it looks fine? If I remember what I've read, the pickups should be in the same place since they are both 24 fret 25.5 scale necks

Also having 22 frets on a Soloist body or 2 humbuckers on a Strat body makes it look like a cheap crappy guitar because the pickups are about a mile away from each other.

But it's a problem that the neck pickup isn't pushed back?

24 frets on a Strat and not being able to have a neck pickup looks like crap also. 22 frets looks good on a Les Paul because it has a big body but these guitars have small bodies and having the pickups far away looks crappy while with 24 frets it looks the way better. Having HSS or HSH makes it look better though but I don't really want that.

Crap.

And yes I do know that 22 frets makes the neck pickup sound better because the string vibrates more the further away (which is why a Gibson L5 has 20 frets) but since I mostly use the bridge pickup I don't care about that.

You write all of this about not liking where the neck pickup is... But you don't need a neck pickup.

 

[VH3333]

What a lovely rant.  You should have siad crappy one or two more times, and then said more things like "I need the neck pickup to make my guitar look not so crappy, even though I don't use it."    ???  ???  ???

Its called a opinion, sorry if you get offended over nothing. If anyone who works for Warmoth browses this forum and sees my post they will hear one of the reasons some people are going with other products over there's, that's the whole point. And I do use my neck pickup just not as much as the bridge, I think 24 frets is better then having the neck pickup sound a little better with 22. Anyways, forget I said anything since my ranting pissed everyone off.

 

[VH3333]

If looks are all you are concerned with in a guitar this might not be the place (or company) for you.

I can only speak for myself but the beauty of Warmoth is that they give the average guy the chance to have a custom guitar (within reason)

I've had RG's, Jackson's, Fenders, Gibson's, Kramer's etc.....nothing (I've owned) sound's or plays as well as my Warmoth. IMO.

It has the right woods, bridge, pu's, frets, nut, neck shape, etc, etc, etc.

Time will only tell if the RG (or any 24 fret stratish guitar) will hold up.  They probably will by the way.

Warmoth pays for Fender trademark stuff.  Would it be cost effective to do the same with Ibanez?  ESP?  I don't really know.  I know a lot of their products are great affordable guitars.  They play nice, stay in tune, etc....

But how many people would buy a $300 RG body and a $300 Ibanez neck with no hardware or pickups when you can buy a Prestige for $1000 to $1200?

Maybe someday but for now go with what you want to...

I said just as important not more important. I'm not trying to insult anyone who likes Warmoth products, I think they probably make good stuff which is why I was thinking about buying from them but I changed my mind and since someone else agrees with me about the 24 fret extension being cheesy I thought I would say why I agree with him.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

I was going to get a Warmoth build but now I'm going with a ESP M-II. Having a Soloist body with the frets sticking far into the body and the neck pickup pushed back would look like awkward crap and the way a guitar looks is just as important as it sounds to me. On the ESP M-II the 24 fret neck looks awesome and the way its supposed too.

I don't understand much of this arguement.  How is it supposed to look?  If they are both the same scale and same number of frets, and the neck pickups are at the end of the fretboard they are both pushed back.  Just for comparison, look at a PRS Custom 22 and Custom 24.  They are the same scale and same guitar but the 22 has 22 frets, and the 24 has 24 frets.  The distance between the neck and bridge humbucking pickups is smaller.  Look on an Ibanez 24 fretted guitar with H-S-H.  It looks cramped.  Every 24 fret neck pushes the neck pickup back.  How it looks right on an ESP is your opinion I guess.