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Dan025 said:
Yeah, I'm thinking Dangerous R6 misunderstood my post. That's what I was saying, if you unscrew the nut and loosen the string, with a floating trem, it will go out of tune. With the D-Tuna it doesn't because it's designed for guitars that have non-floating trems. I believe it even says that in the book that comes with it.
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The most logical solution would be to have a ball bearing pivot point...
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Even if you loosen one string , that still isn't enough to overcome the tension of the other five strings. That is why it doesn't go out of tune....mullyman said:
the first idea of a preloaded spring is probably better, the setup should look kinda like a "tremsetter" from hipshot but they preload the spring with another spring and that just doesn't work, it may work better than factory but not exactly what i have in mind.
i think the other idea is simpler and can work but may be hard to sell people on, there would be a distinct feel to it, not smooth at all.
i just need to get a mill (im actually in the process of that) and a place to put it (still working on that detail), i could have done it a while back but now i work in more of a factory than a machine shop. i do have a lathe though.
i think the other idea is simpler and can work but may be hard to sell people on, there would be a distinct feel to it, not smooth at all.
i just need to get a mill (im actually in the process of that) and a place to put it (still working on that detail), i could have done it a while back but now i work in more of a factory than a machine shop. i do have a lathe though.
DangerousR6 said:
now you bring logic into all this, and that's the problem, zero friction to let it return on it's own doesn't help when you break a string....
i would want a defined return point...
and i had a couple guitars with floating trems, i couldn't even tune a string to pitch without all others changing, never mind go to drop d!
some times it was subtle but i didn't like it. one was a yamaha with there cheap cast bridge that had fine tuners and was lockin but not nearly the quality of a floyd and another was a heartfield i got from a friend, more springs help, tremsetter may help but the best design i've seen is the tremking and i want to be able to retro fit that idea in any cavity on any bridge
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DangerousR6 said:
Fair enough, I trust your word, man. I haven't had a floating trem in a long time. I gave up on them fairly quickly because of how much of a pain in the ass they are when you change strings. I don't like sitting there too long tuning and retuning and retuning until everything is balanced out.
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As to Jay's OP...
I had an idea, although Ive never delt with a D-Tuna - so feel free to shoot this one down... IF you had a Schaller Floyd, the string-lock screws are much
shorter than a standard FR. So... if you got a body recess routed for standard FR, but used a Scahller FR in the same cavity, you might have room for
the extended D-Tuna to fit in the route as well? :icon_scratch:
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I had an idea, although Ive never delt with a D-Tuna - so feel free to shoot this one down... IF you had a Schaller Floyd, the string-lock screws are much
shorter than a standard FR. So... if you got a body recess routed for standard FR, but used a Scahller FR in the same cavity, you might have room for
the extended D-Tuna to fit in the route as well? :icon_scratch:
ORC
ORCRiST said:
definitely something to think about... and thanks for all the replies so far! it's looking more and more like i might want to just suck it up and go with a non-recessed floyd. if i block it off i could then tune to whatever i'd want, and return to standard pretty easily. probably with one of these
inside the tremolo cavity. that it, just so i don't knock a big gash into the body's top wood by lifting up on the trem bar or something. which i probably would since my old floyd was fully floating. i'd just pull the bar up without even thinking.
If you have a floating vibrato, and you loosen 1 string, the others will go out of tune. There is NO exception.
If you have a flush mount or blocked off vibrato, and you loosen a string, it will stay in tune. If you tighten the string, however, it will go out of tune.
As for a vibrato bridge that would stay in tune if one string were to be detuned or break, you would need a separate system for EACH string. I would say a cam system would be the way to go.
If you have a flush mount or blocked off vibrato, and you loosen a string, it will stay in tune. If you tighten the string, however, it will go out of tune.
As for a vibrato bridge that would stay in tune if one string were to be detuned or break, you would need a separate system for EACH string. I would say a cam system would be the way to go.
Paul-less said:
no your wrong,, it the vibrato springs are loaded against the body in the rest position tightening a string will need to exceed that tension first then the trem wiil move up. it's all a matter of preload... but kudos for the proper termonology.
Paul-less said:
i dont know why i said it that way, im starting to think im bipolar...
now that i look at photos i think the tremsetter may be exactly one of the things i was designing in my head but i always heard it helped but was not a cure, i assumed it worked a certain way but it looks like it could work like the idea i had. maybe do to the weak construction, brass where you need steel, plastic where you need metal, sheet metal where you need a bar, just not up to my standards.
i think the cam idea works if the cam is correctly designed i only know one guy with a kahler he and says it does the same thing anything else would do but i think a simple mod with a file could give the desired result..
at this point im not even being helpful, i go off on tangents to the point i dont even know what the question was.. i really have ADD, well i'd think i do anyway.
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